Originally posted by tdtd
What are you retarded? Do you argue against facts too? Or do you lack the knowledge to debate? They were too busy fighting Ragnos, NOT that they feared him.. RIIIIIGHT.. Nice logic..
So STFU
Plus, Master is always stronger than his apprentice.
What the hell are you talking about? See: Exar Kun and Vodo. Anakin and Obi-Wan. Luke and Yoda, Luke and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan ROTS and Qui-Gon.
Wether he was better than both apprentices though cant be determained.
They aren't "apprentices", they are Sith Lords who live among one "Lord Sith", e.g. Marka Ragnos.
And, I may be missing the point, seeing as how I've been skimming through the last couple of posts, but Marka Ragnos > Sadow, and Marka Ragnos > Kressh. "The most powerful of the most powerful", which includes Sadow and Kressh seeing as they are noted as being "the two strongest Sith [after Ragnos' passing]".
Both bowed too him because both Siths were apprentices of Marka.
Why do you keep calling them “apprentices”? They didn’t learn from Marka Ragnos, he was just their ruler.
Though, like I said, I'm tired and could be missing the point, but whatever.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
What the hell are you talking about? See: Exar Kun and Vodo. Anakin and Obi-Wan. Luke and Yoda, Luke and Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan ROTS and Qui-Gon.They aren't "apprentices", they are Sith Lords who live among one "Lord Sith", e.g. Marka Ragnos.
And, I may be missing the point, seeing as how I've been skimming through the last couple of posts, but Marka Ragnos > Sadow, and Marka Ragnos > Kressh. "The most powerful of the most powerful", which includes Sadow and Kressh seeing as they are noted as being "the two strongest Sith [after Ragnos' passing]".
Why do you keep calling them “apprentices”? They didn’t learn from Marka Ragnos, he was just their ruler.
Though, like I said, I'm tired and could be missing the point, but whatever.
Yes, the master is always AT the beggining stronger than the apprentice. Soon after the apprentice grows more powerful. As seen by the people you have just listed. My whole point along was to prove that in time Sadow would become more powerful than Master Ragnos, but he could never rival him because Rags died.
Apprentice is defined as a begginer; and or learner. Seeing as how Marka was master, these two were considered apprentices.
No, It does not say anywhere that Ragnos is more powerful than both Sith Lords. Individually 1v1 he is better. The line "the most powerful of the most powerful" speaks for his individual comparison to another.
Originally posted by tdtdOh! sure.. Of course Sadow was going to not bow and rebel against Ragnos. He is going to put the risk of becoming DLOTS by standing up to teh Ub3r R@g and Ludo. Please from what I noticed Naga is far from stupid.
Youre right, Sadow bowed down because he DIDNT respect Ragnos.. You're a ****ing moron if you can't comprehend that Ragnos was feared and respected but hated.
Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
My whole point along was to prove that in time Sadow would become more powerful than Master Ragnos, but he could never rival him because Rags died.
Dude, Sadow didn't grow more powerful from Ragnos' death to the end of the Great Hyperspace War, and that was considerably his prime, and there's no reason to assume he'd ever "rival Ragnos".
Apprentice is defined as a begginer; and or learner. Seeing as how Marka was master, these two were considered apprentices.
He does not teach them, they are not "beginners" or "learners". And, they are not considered "apprentices". Seriouslah'. Show me where they say "My master, Marka, what can you teach me today?", they are not beginners or learners of anything.
No, It does not say anywhere that Ragnos is more powerful than both Sith Lords.
When did I say it did? I didn't, so don't tell me.
Individually 1v1 he is better. The line "the most powerful of the most powerful" speaks for his individual comparison to another.
Okay, again. I didn't say Ragnos > Sadow and Kressh at the same time. So, don't tell me.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Dude, Sadow didn't grow more powerful from Ragnos' death to the end of the Great Hyperspace War, and that was considerably his prime, and there's no reason to assume he'd ever "rival Ragnos".He does not teach them, they are not "beginners" or "learners". And, they are not considered "apprentices". Seriouslah'. Show me where they say "My master, Marka, what can you teach me today?", they are not beginners or learners of anything.
When did I say it did? I didn't, so don't tell me.
Okay, again. I didn't say Ragnos > Sadow and Kressh at the same time. So, don't tell me.
You dont know that.
Sure, they started out as powerful potential Sith who instantly pwn everyone! "Seriouslah" If they were not begginers and learners then Ragnos would not be a DLOTS for very long, if at all. Oh, and Im sure they learned a few things from Ragnos and Simus.
Apologies, I misread your post.
Originally posted by Motoko Sama
Dude, Sadow didn't grow more powerful from Ragnos' death to the end of the Great Hyperspace War, and that was considerably his prime, and there's no reason to assume he'd ever "rival Ragnos".He does not teach them, they are not "beginners" or "learners". And, they are not considered "apprentices". Seriouslah'. Show me where they say "My master, Marka, what can you teach me today?", they are not beginners or learners of anything.
When did I say it did? I didn't, so don't tell me.
Okay, again. I didn't say Ragnos > Sadow and Kressh at the same time. So, don't tell me.
Indeed. Logic... The anti fanboy solution.. Well said..
I agree with Shimrra giving Ragnos a run for his money, due to the fact he is immune to the force.
Oh? Naga Sadow weaker than Exar Kun you say? I think not, So tell me, why didn't the Ancient Sith amulet blast each other like hell? Why is there no amulet related deaths amongst the Dark Lords Of the Sith and the notable Sith Lords?
Your speculating, you have no idea on whether the attack will work, simply because you do not know if Luke invented the attack purely to deal with the Vong, until other sources come out, you cannot assume.
Fact: Emerald Lightning leaves no traces of damage, so until you can prove it wasn't designed purely against the Vong chancs are it wont work.
I see Ragnos winning, but he'll lose a limb or two.
Think, Exar Kun is several notches below Ragnos and Luke is either a league or on par with Kun, none of those 2 have the power to even contend with Naga Sadow, who himself is hopeless outmatched by Ragnos.
Don't forget, because Kun learned from the Ancient Sith, his techniques will be well known to Ragnos, and dont forget that Ragnos himself posseses weapons of immense power...Amulets, Sith Sword and Scepter.
This fight can go either way, but speaking on an unbiased terms, the Trio take it more often than not.
Ragnos can take up to two of these guys, but three is immensely diffcult.
Originally posted by Deception
I agree with Shimrra giving Ragnos a run for his money, due to the fact he is immune to the force.Oh? Naga Sadow weaker than Exar Kun you say? I think not, So tell me, why didn't the Ancient Sith amulet blast each other like hell? Why is there no amulet related deaths amongst the Dark Lords Of the Sith and the notable Sith Lords?
Your speculating, you have no idea on whether the attack will work, simply because you do not know if Luke invented the attack purely to deal with the Vong, until other sources come out, you cannot assume.
Fact: Emerald Lightning leaves no traces of damage, so until you can prove it wasn't designed purely against the Vong chancs are it wont work.
I see Ragnos winning, but he'll lose a limb or two.
Think, Exar Kun is several notches below Ragnos and Luke is either a league or on par with Kun, none of those 2 have the power to even contend with Naga Sadow, who himself is hopeless outmatched by Ragnos.
Don't forget, because Kun learned from the Ancient Sith, his techniques will be well known to Ragnos, and dont forget that Ragnos himself posseses weapons of immense power...Amulets, Sith Sword and Scepter.
This fight can go either way, but speaking on an unbiased terms, the Trio take it more often than not.
Ragnos can take up to two of these guys, but three is immensely diffcult.
1. Youre right, Naga Sadow is NOT weaker than Kun.. I can use the ancient sith argument but most of you have no concept of that.. Kun may have learned a lot of his teachings or just a fraction, and it made him uber powerful.. But he can't stand up the Sadow..
2. Surprisingly right again, the emerald lightning might have been designed specifically for the Vong. In either case we never see him use it on a force user.. Absence of proof isn't proof of absence but we can't just say "Oh he can".
All the other points well said, I tried the same thing but some people just won't agree with facts.