Marka Ragnos vs Shimrra, DN Luke and Exar Kun

Except for inherent resistance to things like that and force power not meaning a damn to it

Lightsnake there isn't a point in coming here now, noone here is actually competent enough to out debate you, but its very clear that none of us here in KMC who support Ragnos are ever going to convince you, just the same as the fact you will never convince us that Sidious surpasses him.

Even if Marka Ragnos is the most powerful force user in the star wars universe (and that is a very big IF that has not yet been established), that doesn't mean he would be able to defeat 2 of the most powerful force users ever as well as the most powerful being of a race that is basically immune to the force.

For all we know, Marka'll be totally stunned when he can't even feel Shimrra, let alone affect him via the force.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
Even if Marka Ragnos is the most powerful force user in the star wars universe (and that is a very big IF that has not yet been established), that doesn't mean he would be able to defeat 2 of the most powerful force users ever as well as the most powerful being of a race that is basically immune to the force.

Let's see.. Sadow and Kressh>Luke and Kun.. Ragnos>Sadow and Kressh.. Gee, does this sound familiar? Oh yea lightsnake, Ragnos being described as having "tremendous physical strength and a terrifying grasp of the dark side" is pure hyperbole right? Please, I can say the same things when describing Sidious. Either way you're speculating against facts. And no, Ragnos is not going to cower like a ***** just because SHimrra can't feel the force. And if Luke didn't use Emerald lightning on Shimrra, then pray tell, who did he use it on?
You are the king of speculating against facts lightsnake.

It hasn't even been established whether Marka Ragnos was the most powerful out of all of the ancient sith.

Right, because you say so, not that you have any proof. And you wanna play the quote game? We'll play
Luke: Strongest force of light, incredible powerful, both in the force and with the lightsaber, the greatest power of light the galaxy had known.
Sidious: The Darkness beyond darkness, the black hole of the force, the manifestation of the Dark Side itself.
Add that to Shimrra's physical strength was nothing short of terrifying.
Yeah, that tremdous power is great, is he the living embodiment of light or darkness?

And with one fell move Td proves he has never read the NJO! Luke used Emerald Lightning on a Vong slayer, buddy boy.

it is enough that he is stronger than Ludo and Naga.

Which means....well, absolutely nothing

Except for the fact that I never read NJO and I have openly admitted it. Way to put your foot in your mouth again lightsnake. Keep arguing against facts, as you are a lost cause. And yes Avis you're right.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Which means....well, absolutely nothing

Wow.. You really do live in a world of denial lightsnake, this is evident. Except for the fact that Kressh and Sadow are more powerful than anyone coming after them... Oh wait, except Sidious right?

Originally posted by Darth Avis
it is enough that he is stronger than Ludo and Naga.

Have you proof for that claim? And does being more powerful then Ludo speak volumes about someone's power.

Originally posted by tdtd
Wow.. You really do live in a world of denial lightsnake, this is evident. Except for the fact that Kressh and Sadow are more powerful than anyone coming after them... Oh wait, except Sidious right?

What did Kressh do that was so amazing?

You say that like your words and opinions mean something., I want something definite proving your point. Something stating that EXACTLY.

And you're proudly flaunting you never read NJO yet you're trying to argue from it? Go back and read, it then get back to me

Uh yes Blak Fox.. Nobody after Ludo Kressh is more powerful than him, so yes it does.

Don't worry, Fox...Td loves to shoot his mouth off without a trace of evidence supporting him

Originally posted by tdtd
Uh yes Blak Fox.. Nobody after Ludo Kressh is more powerful than him, so yes it does.

That is completely unsupported.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You say that like your words and opinions mean something., I want something definite proving your point. Something stating that EXACTLY.

And you're proudly flaunting you never read NJO yet you're trying to argue from it? Go back and read, it then get back to me

Lightsnake, ths is why you cannot win a debate. Arguing with fact=lost battle. I don't care what you want, since it is generally known that the ancient sith were the most powerful of the most powerful, and nobody that came after them were as powerful, no matter what your little fantasy world makes you believe.

Originally posted by BLAK FOX
That is completely unsupported.

No, it's a fact. The Ancient Sith were the best of the best. If you're stronger than Ludo, then it's obvious youre stronger than Luke and Kun.. Unsupported my arse.

Prove it. Want a quote.

And 'facts' are proveable and undeniable. You've yet to show me something definite from Star Wars when you haven't even READ the series involving one of the combatanants