Wolverine & Beast vs Spiderman & Captain America

Originally posted by badabing
I think that Marvel should keep the character bios in sync with the feats of the characters. Granted, everything about comics is going to be exaggerated to one point or another, but I have problems with characters like Spider-Man or Wolverine beating the Hulk, Thing , Namor and so on. By no means am I trying to diminish Wolverine or Spider-Man in any way, but I just have a problem when characters beat people that they shouldn't be able to barely hurt. I believe somebody posted that if an uber strong character sent a less powerful character flying for mile just from one punch, there wouldn't be any good stories and I agree. In my mind an uber strong character should win fights against lesser characters more times than not. That's the reason in say a Spider-Man vs Wolverine thread I'll give Spidey the edge. I look at the characters feats and bios to base my decision.

regardless of whether or not I agree with you about the whole spidey mess (lol), I do think that you have a point about bios, and I agree with you to that extent.. also I don't have problems with your rationality, you're one of the more reasonable people here... my problem lies with the people who think they're inclined to tell wolverine fan what wolverine can or can't do despite not reading wolverine books, it's downright insulting.

Originally posted by capt it up
see this is a hard one. beast in my oppion is would would drag wolverine team down if this was straight up beast vs capt or what not, but see this is a team battle and beast and logan have far more experience working to gather and would be far more effective team. so I think logan and beast might take this.

but cap excells at leadership...which is a serious problem for anyone in a team thread with cap in it.

Originally posted by jinzin
but cap excells at leadership...which is a serious problem for anyone in a team thread with cap in it.

Originally posted by jinzin
regardless of whether or not I agree with you about the whole spidey mess (lol), I do think that you have a point about bios, and I agree with you to that extent.. also I don't have problems with your rationality, you're one of the more reasonable people here... my problem lies with the people who think they're inclined to tell wolverine fan what wolverine can or can't do despite not reading wolverine books, it's downright insulting.

Originally posted by badabing
I think that Marvel should keep the character bios in sync with the feats of the characters. Granted, everything about comics is going to be exaggerated to one point or another, but I have problems with characters like Spider-Man or Wolverine beating the Hulk, Thing , Namor and so on. By no means am I trying to diminish Wolverine or Spider-Man in any way, but I just have a problem when characters beat people that they shouldn't be able to barely hurt. I believe somebody posted that if an uber strong character sent a less powerful character flying for mile just from one punch, there wouldn't be any good stories and I agree. In my mind an uber strong character should win fights against lesser characters more times than not. That's the reason in say a Spider-Man vs Wolverine thread I'll give Spidey the edge. I look at the characters feats and bios to base my decision.

Originally posted by capt it up
true but wolverine not slouch as a leader and hank does not mind fallowing orders. also the thing is capt may be a good leader but spiderman and capt knowledge of eachother and there abilities are far far less then wolverine and beast knowledge of eachother.
wolverine and beast have spent years as teamates they know how to work as a effective team.

but cap knows how to work as an "effective team" with ANYONE...that's why he was in charge during secret wars, during secret war, during part of the infinity crusade. Caps as good a leader as it gets and cap's got experience leading spidey considering new avengers and all....
while team experience between wolvie and beast is something that might give them a small advantage in one category caps leadership skills are going to give him and spidey a MAJOR advantage in another.
even when beast and logan have teamed up beast us usally a hinderance to logan more than a help...

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude do you really need to go there. Batman has done things that are impossible for a peak human to do yet they are accepted.

they're accepted by everyone but spiderman fans. 🙄

Originally posted by badabing
Capt can attest that I try not to insult. If I ever do just PM me and it will stop. A lot of the times I'm just ribbing people or starting trouble. devil
I acknowledge that Wolverine and Spider-Man have had exceptional feats but I also weigh there feats against the uber strong characters that they may face in this forum. It's just a different perception that's all. I will never say that Logan and Peter couldn't beat a Hulk, Thing or Namor because they have. I try to be as fair as I can will show something 6.5/10 or something.

I know.. your reason and rationality on the forums is appreciated.. you aren't one of the poeple I was reffering to btw.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude do you really need to go there. Batman has done things that are impossible for a peak human to do yet they are accepted.

Anyway, back to the thread. Capt made some good points on behalf of Beast and Wolverine.

whatever dude.
All I mean is Wolverine is not the first character to be able to do this well beyond their limits. Batman has rolled with a punch from Superman and WW, Venom has lasted in a fight with the Juggernaut, Slade has cought a Flash. Each of them are subject to the same standard you have based Wolverine on.

For this thread, I give the fight to Spiderman and Captain America. I don't see beast beating Spiderman but Wolverine and Cap might go for a little bit.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
For this thread, I give the fight to Spiderman and Captain America. I don't see beast beating Spiderman but Wolverine and Cap might go for a little bit.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
whatever dude.
All I mean is Wolverine is not the first character to be able to do this well beyond their limits. Batman has rolled with a punch from Superman and WW, Venom has lasted in a fight with the Juggernaut, Slade has cought a Flash. Each of them are subject to the same standard you have based Wolverine on.

Originally posted by jinzin
but cap knows how to work as an "effective team" with ANYONE...that's why he was in charge during secret wars, during secret war, during part of the infinity crusade. Caps as good a leader as it gets and cap's got experience leading spidey considering new avengers and all....
while team experience between wolvie and beast is something that might give them a small advantage in one category caps leadership skills are going to give him and spidey a MAJOR advantage in another.
even when beast and logan have teamed up beast us usally a hinderance to logan more than a help...

Originally posted by capt it up
capt has not realy lead a the new avenegers very much. capt has experience with spidy but it is another compared to the experience that wolverine and beast have togather.
also wolverine though not as well known as capt as a lleader he is also consider an amazing leader. wolverine does not like to lead which is why we do not see his leader ship abilties much, but he is said over and over in many issue to have amazing leader ship abilties.
true capt was leader of the secret war, well leader of most of the heros.
wolverine how ever when ever he teams up with alpha flight he seems to always take over leadership of the team. when alpha flight went up against department H wolverine was the one leading them.
when wolverine and alpha flight went against wendigo wolevrien elader ship was commented on.
wolverine also fi im not mistaken was choosen to lead the second group of defender and wolverien has also been asked repeatedly by scot to lead an x-men team.

this argument is going nowhere.. I get wolverine being a decent leader, but he's also a reluctant leader which is a problem...

the fact is, he's nowhere near as good as captain america...

If Wolverine was a better leader, he would be leading the X-men instead of Cyke. And I agree, he definitely is not better at leadership than cap

Originally posted by jinzin
this argument is going nowhere.. I get wolverine being a decent leader, but he's also a reluctant leader which is a problem...

the fact is, he's nowhere near as good as captain america...

also I hope u mean nowhere enar as good as capt in leade rship becuase in a fight wolverine would take capt.

to be honest here I think spidy and capt take it. beat is wolverines down fall in this fight, but the fight is closer then people think.

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine better then a decent leader. wolverine a great leader, but true he is a relectent one which could hurt them.

also I hope u mean nowhere enar as good as capt in leade rship becuase in a fight wolverine would take capt.

to be honest here I think spidy and capt take it. beat is wolverines down fall in this fight, but the fight is closer then people think.

yeah i meant leadership.. I'm honestly split on who I feel would win between wolverine and cap.. but probably wolverine..

Originally posted by jinzin
yeah i meant leadership.. I'm honestly split on who I feel would win between wolverine and cap.. but probably wolverine..

im not split at all the healing factor is what gives logan the win almsot every time.