Wolverine & Beast vs Spiderman & Captain America

Originally posted by jinzin
but what would they be basing those perceptions of wolverine on.. it's already pretty well established that most of the people who refuse to allow the possibility for wolverine doing the things he's done don't generally read that many wolverine comics... forcing us (his fans) to have to go over the same fundemental points about his character over and over again...

wolverine is superhuman in all categories and yet people refer to his capabilities as peak human all the time...

again.. IMO...

When someone argues that they have seen evidence of something but that the evidence doesn't count because that character "shouldn't be able to do that" they need to re-think the premise of thier conclusion. A characters abilities are based on what he or she demonstrates he or she can do, not on what someone thought they could do at one time.

Wolverine isnt super strong.

Im sorry he just isnt, and when he is written as Super Strong its just PIS. Plain and simple

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Dude do you really need to go there. Batman has done things that are impossible for a peak human to do yet they are accepted.

We're not talking about Batman here, we're talking about Wolverine 😉

Originally posted by jinzin
this argument is going nowhere.. I get wolverine being a decent leader, but he's also a reluctant leader which is a problem...

the fact is, he's nowhere near as good as captain america...

✅

Yeah I know. But many have pointed out that everything that characters like wolverine do is Pis yet they accept Batman taking shots form WW as legit. I like both but I feel if you speak against one of them, the arguement can be used against the other.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
Yeah I know. But many have pointed out that everything that characters like wolverine do is Pis yet they accept Batman taking shots form WW as legit. I like both but I feel if you speak against one of them, the arguement can be used for the other.

Batman is another issue.

He has nowhere as much PIS as Wolverine.

And WW trumps Batman everytime. Seriously, I would like to see Bats take down WW

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine isnt super strong.

Im sorry he just isnt, and when he is written as Super Strong its just PIS. Plain and simple

dude, he has taken a punch in the face from her before.
I like both characters. They are both among some of my favorite but to call everything that Wolverine does PIS, and claim all my others characters feats are legit, would make me a hypocrite

Originally posted by Grimm22
Wolverine isnt super strong.

Im sorry he just isnt, and when he is written as Super Strong its just PIS. Plain and simple

see this is EXACTLY the kind of ignorant crap I'm talking about!

this guy who hasn't seen 50% of what logan's done is going to tell me what logan can and can't do? what the ****?

dude okay here we go....

wolverine has had almost 2 dozen feats of superhuman strength right off the top of my head...

I know if you've been arguing with capt that he's pounded these feats into your head so if you're continuing to ignore them I have no hope but...

in thunderbolts wolverine is described as having superhuman strength..

in weapon x wolverine undergoes chemical treatments to enhance his muscular tissues to superhuman levels...

in x-men wolverine is described has being a superhuman in all categories...

how much more proof do you need before you can accept facts?

Originally posted by jinzin
see this is EXACTLY the kind of ignorant crap I'm talking about!

this guy who hasn't seen 50% of what logan's done is going to tell me what logan can and can't do? what the ****?

dude okay here we go....

wolverine has had almost 2 dozen feats of superhuman strength right off the top of my head...

I know if you've been arguing with capt that he's pounded these feats into your head so if you're continuing to ignore them I have no hope but...

in thunderbolts wolverine is described as having superhuman strength..

in weapon x wolverine undergoes chemical treatments to enhance his muscular tissues to superhuman levels...

in x-men wolverine is described has being a superhuman in all categories...

how much more proof do you need before you can accept facts?

Originally posted by jinzin
see this is EXACTLY the kind of ignorant crap I'm talking about!

this guy who hasn't seen 50% of what logan's done is going to tell me what logan can and can't do? what the ****?

dude okay here we go....

wolverine has had almost 2 dozen feats of superhuman strength right off the top of my head...

I know if you've been arguing with capt that he's pounded these feats into your head so if you're continuing to ignore them I have no hope but...

in thunderbolts wolverine is described as having superhuman strength..

in weapon x wolverine undergoes chemical treatments to enhance his muscular tissues to superhuman levels...

in x-men wolverine is described has being a superhuman in all categories...

how much more proof do you need before you can accept facts?

Im sorry but people say that Superman is overpowered? Seriously Wolverine is now in that catagory as well.

Seriously Wolverine never has had Super strength

and its not ignorant because its BS.

Seriously how does Wolverine have Super Strength? He has adamantium bones, enchanced senses and a healing factor. Those are his freakin powers. That does not include Super Strength or Speed.

Please tell me how that include super strength of speed?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Im sorry but people say that Superman is overpowered? Seriously Wolverine is now in that catagory as well.

Seriously Wolverine never has had Super strength

and its not ignorant because its BS.

Seriously how does Wolverine have Super Strength? He has adamantium bones, enchanced senses and a healing factor. Those are his freakin powers. That does not include Super Strength or Speed.

Please tell me how that include super strength of speed?

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read weapon x they tell you right there in plain print that wolverine undergoes chemical treatment..

in thunderbolts his superhuman strength is attested to his mutant attributes as well...

he's not a human.. he's a mutant... with superstrength... so say he's never had superstrength is straight up ignorant...

I guess superman can't vibrate through attack either since he's not doing it every other issue.. 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin

read weapon x they tell you right there in plain print that wolverine undergoes chemical treatment..

in thunderbolts his superhuman strength is attested to his mutant attributes as well...

he's not a human.. he's a mutant... with superstrength... so say he's never had superstrength is straight up ignorant...

I guess superman can't vibrate through attack either since he's not doing it every other issue.. 🙄

Jeese you could have told me he went through chemical treatment.

Still I hardly consider that superstrength.

More like enchanced strength, like Cap

Originally posted by capt it up
wolverine also fi im not mistaken was choosen to lead the second group of defender and wolverien has also been asked repeatedly by scot to lead an x-men team.

Yea, but that's just a small team of the X-men (like Blue and Gold). But who leads all of the X-men (not Professor X I mean)? Cyclops. And he'd never let Wolverine have his position, since well, he couldn't handle it.

Just thought I'd share.

And the first 2 pages of this thread were so civilized to (well for a thread with wolverine in it anyway)...I can see how people would think that wolverine has super strength, but I would class it as that, his admantium skeleton obviously gives him more support when lifting things and packs more of a wallop when punching, but not by a great deal...unless hes's done loads of this without his skeleton then that just blew my theory out the window lol. But I wouldnt class it as super strength because its not natural if you get my meaning its kind of like he has artificial help...anyway I give this to Captain America and Spider-man, if wolverine had a better partner then yes this would be a good long fight, but because Spider-man can take beast out quick its onna turn into a Cap and Spidey vs wolverine, but before this turns into a spidey vs wolverine thread, if wolverine takes spider-man and beast takes Cap its a whole new game a fight between spidey and wolverine can realy go either way, and Beast with his upgrades can take cap so then it turns into wolvy and beast vs Spidey...So to sum it up I'v just disprooved my original thoughts so I say the fight is 50/50 depending on who fights who.

Originally posted by Sparkz
And the first 2 pages of this thread were so civilized to (well for a thread with wolverine in it anyway)...I can see how people would think that wolverine has super strength, but I would class it as that, his admantium skeleton obviously gives him more support when lifting things and packs more of a wallop when punching, but not by a great deal...unless hes's done loads of this without his skeleton then that just blew my theory out the window lol. But I wouldnt class it as super strength because its not natural if you get my meaning its kind of like he has artificial help...anyway I give this to Captain America and Spider-man, if wolverine had a better partner then yes this would be a good long fight, but because Spider-man can take beast out quick its onna turn into a Cap and Spidey vs wolverine, but before this turns into a spidey vs wolverine thread, if wolverine takes spider-man and beast takes Cap its a whole new game a fight between spidey and wolverine can realy go either way, and Beast with his upgrades can take cap so then it turns into wolvy and beast vs Spidey...So to sum it up I'v just disprooved my original thoughts so I say the fight is 50/50 depending on who fights who.

Yes true as shown in many comics, his adamantium skelaton does give him structure.

Originally posted by jinzin
I ..

JUST...

****ING.....

DID.....

read weapon x they tell you right there in plain print that wolverine undergoes chemical treatment..

in thunderbolts his superhuman strength is attested to his mutant attributes as well...

he's not a human.. he's a mutant... with superstrength... so say he's never had superstrength is straight up ignorant...

I guess superman can't vibrate through attack either since he's not doing it every other issue.. 🙄

Oh ok I missed that bit, that realy throws my theory out the window lol.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, but that's just a small team of the X-men (like Blue and Gold). But who leads all of the X-men (not Professor X I mean)? Cyclops. And he'd never let Wolverine have his position, since well, he couldn't handle it.

Just thought I'd share.

Is this the Beast that has god-like agility and can lift/press 50 tons over his head, or is this the newer cat-like Beast that has trouble lifting 2 tons? If it's the more agile and stronger Beast, than Wolverine and Beast take this one. If not, than Spidey and Cap take the majority.

Originally posted by batdude123
Is this the Beast that has god-like agility and can lift/press 50 tons over his head, or is this the newer cat-like Beast that has trouble lifting 2 tons? If it's the more agile and stronger Beast, than Wolverine and Beast take this one. If not, than Spidey and Cap take the majority.

When did Beast lift 50 tons with ease?!? 🤨

Originally posted by Grimm22
When did Beast lift 50 tons with ease?!? 🤨

When he was part of the Avengers and when he was a part of the X-Men BEFORE Astonishing X-Men came out.