Originally posted by Validus
The Doomsday that appeared in Infinite Crisis showed no signs of intelligence at all. He was his old growling self.DD is stronger than Superman but not by a drastic degree. The only instance of that is Hunter/Prey. Still, my point stands. Doomsday hasn't evolved past a standard punch in the face.
growling doesn't imply that he was as strong as his normal being.. he was a doomsday rex version of the creature.. it isn't suitable for doomsday... for all we know he could have been another clone...
doomsday clones look just like ddrex and show the same lack of intelligence...
there's nothing that can prove anything either way except the fact that he looked akin to rex rather than dd and that makes a SIGNIFICANT difference as superman has already prven.
so,
no your point doesn't still stand since DD did evolve past that... and the only showings you can bring to the table that contradict it are with the use of DD-rex who is for all intents and purposes entirely different than DD.
it's like trying to argue that things lack of durability makes a standing point for spikey thing's... it doesn't.
Originally posted by jinzin
sure he is.. he's stronger faster more resistant to injury, pain...and I mean that was just doomsday ward doomsday.. no telling how much more powerful gog wars dd is...
Faster, sure, but not stronger and certainly not more durable. Higher base level maybe, but it wouldn't take long(probably a few seconds) for Hulk to reach his level.
Originally posted by jinzin
very well.. another thing to consider is that darksied has a lot of majicians on apokolips... yet when dd showed up they al ran away...so far there hasn't been anything the doomsday hasn't proven he could evolve past so....
This is applicable to only Hunter Prey Doomsday, as the current version has yet to evolve past Superman punches. 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
doomsday rex is a sentient version of doomsday who learned how to fear death.. he beat up on superman pretty badly but when superman had enough he laid down his pimp hand all over doomsday and "killed" him. through fear doomsday rex became weaker and weaker being pretty much ineffectual on supes by the end of the fight...doomsday rex is pretty clearly different than regular doomsday and the version that validus is commenting on looks exactly like doomsday rex which is an inherently weaker version of the character... thus superman's strength vs. normal doomsday or any other doomsday after DOS is pretty much worthless..
against dd rex.. well that's a different story altogether.
Continuity wise, they are the same characters , what are you talking about ? 🙂
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Continuity wise, they are the same characters , what are you talking about ? 🙂
Point stands. S shield > Doomsday
Originally posted by Validus
Exactly what I'm saying. The only proof of it being Rex is the way he was drawn in IC #7 though it's worth noting he looked like classic DD in the Villains United Special. He showed none of the intelligence which was the main characteristic of Doomsday Rex.Point stands. S shield > Doomsday
In fact i am have yet to see his evolutionary powers in motion .... I havn't read Hunter prey, yet as im waiting for the trade to come out in June. 🙂
hmm, "yahman" . . . 😖hifty: you've been busy. current dd is tough to figure. i couldn't tell WHICH version was knocked out in IC, but it was handled pretty easily whichever one it was.
h/p version beats herc 10/10 and he was indeed evolving during the battle. even dos dd evolved as noted by supes. dos dd would still beat herc almost everytime imo. rex was hard to figure. i don't think he was . . . weaker per se. his intelligence seemed to have gotten in his way is all, and he wasn't sure how to deal with it or the pain or emotions. least that was my take.
gog wars version crushes herc easily.
It looked to me like E1 Superman was going to get whooped had E2 Superman not been there. Funny, really. E2 Superman being a Pre-Crisis Supes and stalemating with Post-Crisis Superman. Then you have Doomsday fighting both of them and smacking E1 Supes while breaking his bones with E2 Supes. I wonder.
Originally posted by Validus
That's another thing Leo. The vaunted Gog Wars Doomsday is the same one Superman defeated in Superman #175 (Rex). The difference was that in Gog Wars he was no longer bothered by feelings of mortality and thus performed at his optimum level.
in the sense that there is only one dd, i understand what you're saying, v. but, he was tossing gogs around like they were you or i! at least one difference between rex and gog wars was his level of intellect. it seemed to me rex was the neanderthal version of gogwars so at least intellectually he had evolved beyond rex. physically, it is difficult to determine, but rex got the snot kicked out of him. i don't think supes was gonna kick the crap outta gogwars version, do you?