Qui-Gon vs. Cin Drallig

Originally posted by Faunus
If you're actually going by LoE, then Grievous doesn't actually suffer any crippling wounds at the hands of Mace Windu.

While I defenently see Qui-Gon winning this, I highly doubt he could rival Windu. Where did you hear that, anyways?

Cin>Grievous, prior to his injuries, who is at least even with Maul, probably stronger. Maybe Qui-Gon in his prime, say, 10-15 years before TPM could beat Cin, maybe, but TPM Qui-Gon couldn't.

I do agree with you Hokage that Qui-Gon>Cin. But you can't just make up facts like Qui-Gon=Mace to prove your point, and then back it up with "maybe he could have"

Originally posted by PurpleSaber
I do agree with you Hokage that Qui-Gon>Cin. But you can't just make up facts like Qui-Gon=Mace to prove your point, and then back it up with "maybe he could have"

No Its just because I heard that somwhere sorry.

But Qui-Gon was a master swordsman He would most likely be able to best cin 😄

Originally posted by Hokage Yoda
But Qui-Gon was a master swordsman He would most likely be able to best cin 😄

And I suppose Cin just had a lightsaber to fit in with the crowd.

Originally posted by Motoko Sama
And I suppose Cin just had a lightsaber to fit in with the crowd.

No. Despite the fact he wasn't strong enough to be on the council, he was an excellent swordsman, and predecessor to Kyle Katarn as the Jedi Order's Battlemaster/Lightsaber Instructor. However, I don't think that what we've seen and know of him is enough to convince me he could slay Qui-Gon. Both in the movies and in the EU, Cin Drallig is basically just a man marked for death by Darth Vader. That being said, he really has neither done nor shown anything remarkable except that he is based on Nick Gillard. Qui-Gon Jinn will win.

So, by your logic, Qui-Gon > Grievous > 4 Jedi Knights at once?

And by my logic (and presumably Motoko Sama's):
Cin > Grievous > 4 Knights at once > TPM Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan > Darth Maul > Qui-Gon

Despite the fact he wasn't strong enough to be on the council,

Wasn't strong enough? Being on the Council alone doesn't make you great. As well, I believe Cin was said to be able to best some of the Council members.

Some of the strongest jedi warriors were not on the council.

Like Count Dooku... who was second or third in the Order.

First of all, the Council is where the strongest Jedi Masters IN THE ORDER are(there may be stronger for some have left the Order, are Knights, or have spent their tearm).

Second of all, Motoko Sama, no he couldn't. I have no idea where you heard that. Whither you heard somewhere, or you made it up, stop posting false lies. You can't possibly know that because we don't know that much about him!

And Dooku was on on the council once. I think so anyways. Either way, he LEFT the Order.

cin was one of the best duelist in his time the only reason he wasn't a council member was because he decided to put his full attention to his student's. And when facing Vader he cheated by throwing his light saber in to cin while vader was on the floor. cin would of delivered the final blow to him if not for his cheap shot.

To be on the Council, doesn't require to be strong, you have to be wise, a leader, you have to take tuff decisions and you have to follow the Code.
Dooku was never on the Council and he was one of the best ever, because he defied the Code and a guy like Trebor Coleman, sit on the Council, despite being more of a diplomat then warrior.

Trebor Coleman was tuff.

He wasn't a great warrior, he was more of a diplomat, i used him as a example to prove, you don't have to be necessarily very powerful to sit on the Council.

Ok. First off, Cin Drallig lost to Anakin because Anakin was The Chosen One.
Why is this a big deal?
Because he has more genetic potential than any other Jedi who ever lived. And, by RotS his potential has been greatly channeled.
Anakin Skywalkwer is probally technically the second most powerful Jedi by this time.
Notice I didn't say Darth Vader, who was defeated by Obi-Wan later on, but Anakin.
So Cin took on somone who was basically the golden fleece of the Order and from what multiple sources we've heard, put up a pretty decent fight.

Now, Qui-Gon Jinn was stated to rival Mace Windu in skill during the events of TPM.
Cin Drallig himself was stated to have more skill in swordsmanship and the Force than most of the Masters on the Council.
In the most recent "Cin Drallig VS Darth Maul" Thread, It had come to be found that Cin would be able to just barely, and I mean barely beat Maul.
Maul beat Qui-Gon and Cin is slightly more powerful than Maul so, of course Cin wins.
Also, Cin Drallig was the Battlemaster of the Coruscant Temple.
He knew all seven Forms but only specialized in six of them.
This fact alone does not mean he could beat Qui-Gon, but, it does mean he could exercise more flexibility and leverage in a duel against Qui-Gon, giving him the quite possible win.
I forget exactly why, but I remember figuring out that Cin was actually on par with TPM Mace.
That was a while ago, but you can dismiss that If you like.

If I remember I'll be sure to add it.

Anyway, for now, Cin definantly beats Qui-Gon. 😉

Originally posted by darthsith19
So, by your logic, Qui-Gon > Grievous > 4 Jedi Knights at once?

And by my logic (and presumably Motoko Sama's):
Cin > Grievous > 4 Knights at once > TPM Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan > Darth Maul > Qui-Gon

Actually no. Darth Maul > TPM Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.
The only reason why Maul lost is becuz he decided to play with Obi instead of finishin him, but he couldve won.

Originally posted by darthsith19
So, by your logic, Qui-Gon > Grievous > 4 Jedi Knights at once?

Originally posted by darthsith19
And by my logic (and presumably Motoko Sama's):
Cin > Grievous > 4 Knights at once > TPM Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan > Darth Maul > Qui-Gon

And those 4 knights are not among big names like Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace and Yoda in PT period in terms of skills and capabilities. When Grievous met one of the best in true sense (namely Obi-Wan), it was game over for him.

TPM Qui-Gon was no joke either. Obi-Wan said this about Qui-Gon: "Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps the greatest Jedi alive, a commanding presence at Council, a strong and brave warrior who refused to be intimidated by even the most daunting challenge, and a good and kind man."

He was indeed defeated by Darth Maul but Maul was no joke as well as Sidious indicated in TPM about his skills by saying "You have been well trained, my young apprentice. They will be no match for you." Sidious indeed was confident about Maul's capabilities.

I won't be suprised if even Maul is better then Cin.

Regarding this fight, since Cin is considered to be a skilled fighter so I say that he will give Qui-Gon a good fight but Qui-Gon might win.

Originally posted by Darth Sexiest
So Cin took on somone who was basically the golden fleece of the Order and from what multiple sources we've heard, put up a pretty decent fight.

According to a report made by Imperial Moff "Wessel" who served the Emperor, it was indicated that Lord Vader cut down Dralling following a short exchange of Light Saber strikes.

Dralling posed no threat to Vader and his skills were joke when he faced a real man who had proven himself before.

I don't call this a decent fight.

Even though Anakin killed Cin and Qui-Gon was killed by Maul, I'd say that Cin gets killed by Qui-Gon.

Either way, it would be a very close fight, i cant decide for naw yet.