Ryu vs wong fei hung

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And I told you there are characters that do less impressive feats and are high tiered vega, gen, etc... so that point is moot.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
In what language is ki the result of the application of chi then, cause you said that.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
They are the same thing you have no proof there not the same thing.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
You need to hit the books because you don't know what your talking about, Qi is more then a chinese MA term it reffers to traditional chinese medicine and philosophy just because you know chinese MA doesn't mean you understand Qi, hit the books like I said.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Then stop using feats in this match, they are not that important to guage sfers.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Gen never beat gouki or fought dhalsim officially, and wong fei hung knows an internal art too.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
He's more skilled, I compare him to gen because wong has descent feats like gen yet is high tiered.

Originally posted by jinzin
gen being able to toe to toe with akuma IS an impressive feat...
vega is higher tier.. he's not top tier... against an all out ryu however vega's toast.. just like wong.

Depends what game your talking about, vega would give ryu problems in alpha but in third strike no way, and like I said gen has less impressive feats than gouki but is able to give him a fight. so a persons feats doesn't equal his fighting ability

Originally posted by jinzin
it's the ideas that matter not where they came from.. 😕

And the idea is the same, ki/Qi is a universal energy they're the same.

Originally posted by jinzin

no they're not... hoshi actually did a great job of explaining the differences between them... ki when harnessed is more physically potent than chi.

They are the same you have offered no proof that they aren't, you seem to think that because you do MA you understand Qi, well your wrong they're the same live with it.

Originally posted by jinzin
and like I said, I don't need to hit the books because i'm a practitioner... all you're doing here is throwing out red herrings and fillibustering because you can't come to grips with the fact that the ideas are important here.. not where they came from, or the fact that you don'r have one suitable argument how wong will win this....

And like I said Qi is a concept that isn't restricted to MA, It exsist within traditional chinese medicine, Meditation, and Philosophy. You rely ton feats too prove your argument, but as I said feats aren't too helpful in SF.

Originally posted by jinzin

ok officially no... but a version o him has.. officially he did put up a great fight against akuma in a weakened state though.....
wong fei hung isn't on gen's level you have nothing to prove that he is.

he's incomparible.... [/B]

what proof do you have that wong isn't on gens level, his skill speaks for himself.

Donnie Yen, you maggots!! 😠

Originally posted by RogerRamjet
Donnie Yen, you maggots!! 😠

What about him.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Depends what game your talking about, vega would give ryu problems in alpha but in third strike no way, and like I said gen has less impressive feats than gouki but is able to give him a fight. so a persons feats doesn't equal his fighting ability

And the idea is the same, ki/Qi is a universal energy they're the same.

They are the same you have offered no proof that they aren't, you seem to think that because you do MA you understand Qi, well your wrong they're the same live with it.

look , when i was in japan training my karate my teacher used to say that ki/chi are different words that mean the same , but he also said that if you ask to a kung fu sensei about the ki/chi tehy will say something very different . China hates japan and japan hates china , that is a fact since the second world war , their points of view of "hero" is different as well , as you can see almost all of chinese kungfu movies the strongest ones always are able to walk on the river (light foot is the name of this tech in my country ...Brazil) , super human strengh and agility , able to use weapons to increase a lot their own capacity , etc . The japanese heros usually use the ki/chi the way ryu,goku,kyo kusanagi,terry bogardy uses .

but that wont matter in this fight anyway . For what I have seen of wongs skills he maybe almost on the same level as gen , but ryu would win if he is fighting serious(i dont mean evil ryu) .

And like I said Qi is a concept that isn't restricted to MA, It exsist within traditional chinese medicine, Meditation, and Philosophy. You rely ton feats too prove your argument, but as I said feats aren't too helpful in SF.

what proof do you have that wong isn't on gens level, his skill speaks for himself.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
What about him.

he's better than Ryu an' Wong Fei Hung alltogether... 😮‍💨

Originally posted by RogerRamjet
he's better than Ryu an' Wong Fei Hung alltogether... 😮‍💨

That's why he lost to wong in Once Upon a Time In China 2 😆

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
That's why he lost to wong in Once Upon a Time In China 2 😆

wtf 😘

Originally posted by Hoshi
wtf 😘

Here:

part1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OxgYejjg2pw&search=once%20upon%20a%20time%20in%20china

part2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rySPg3GIVms&search=donnie%20yen

ah ! I though you were saying that gen was defeated by wong

look , when i was in japan training my karate my teacher used to say that ki/chi are different words that mean the same , but he also said that if you ask to a kung fu sensei about the ki/chi tehy will say something very different . China hates japan and japan hates china , that is a fact since the second world war , their points of view of "hero" is different as well , as you can see almost all of chinese kungfu movies the strongest ones always are able to walk on the river (light foot is the name of this tech in my country ...Brazil) , super human strengh and agility , able to use weapons to increase a lot their own capacity , etc . The japanese heros usually use the ki/chi the way ryu,goku,kyo kusanagi,terry bogardy uses .

but that wont matter in this fight anyway . For what I have seen of wongs skills he maybe almost on the same level as gen , but ryu would win if he is fighting serious(i dont mean evil ryu) .

i posted this but in the wrong form, so i am posting it again

Originally posted by Hoshi
ah ! I though you were saying that gen was defeated by wong

Wong Fei Hung is the most famous Gung fu master of china, he could considerd one of the best southern chinese MA, He's really good.I think he can beat Gen too.

Originally posted by Hoshi
look , when i was in japan training my karate my teacher used to say that ki/chi are different words that mean the same , but he also said that if you ask to a kung fu sensei about the ki/chi tehy will say something very different . China hates japan and japan hates china , that is a fact since the second world war , their points of view of "hero" is different as well , as you can see almost all of chinese kungfu movies the strongest ones always are able to walk on the river (light foot is the name of this tech in my country ...Brazil) , super human strengh and agility , able to use weapons to increase a lot their own capacity , etc . The japanese heros usually use the ki/chi the way ryu,goku,kyo kusanagi,terry bogardy uses .

Your limiting Ki to a martial arts term that isn't true, when prince Shotoku left japan began to borrow chinese ideas during the tang dynasty, japanese began to take many chinese concepts from philosophy to cuisine,martial arts, etc... the concept of Qi was cultural diffused as well. Qi is not limited to MA. it apply's to many things. Yang-Qi reffers to the vital energy of the heavens Ying-Qi to the vital energy of the earth, it's an energy that exsist in everything.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
That's why he lost to wong in Once Upon a Time In China 2 😆

he lost because the script told em to... 🙄

no , he cant , at least in my opnion. Gen is the world most famous assasin as you already know, and he can be considered one of the best MA of the world.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Wong Fei Hung is the most famous Gung fu master of china, he could considerd one of the best southern chinese MA, He's really good.I think he can beat Gen too.

Your limiting Ki to a martial arts term that isn't true, when prince Shotoku left japan began to borrow chinese ideas during the tang dynasty, japanese began to take many chinese concepts from philosophy to cuisine,martial arts, etc... the concept of Qi was cultural diffused as well. Qi is not limited to MA. it apply's to many things.

that is true , but the ki/chi we are using here are the ones linked to martial arts

Originally posted by Hoshi
that is true , but the ki/chi we are using here are the ones linked to martial arts

Ki/Qi is linked to everything, MA just manipulate it for fighting.

Originally posted by Hoshi
no , he cant , at least in my opnion. Gen is the world most famous assasin as you already know, and he can be considered one of the best MA of the world.

No he's not the best MA in the world, and no where does it say he's a world class assassin

but the chinese ones and the japanese ones manipulates it in different ways .
Ryu 1 way
wong 2 way

Originally posted by Hoshi
but the chinese ones and the japanese ones manipulates it in different ways .
Ryu 1 way
wong 2 way

It depends on the art

an art like karate uses ki/QI externaly while something like Xing yi Would be an internal art. wong uses both since his style is both external and internal sorta like Goju-Ryu.

i never said he was the best , i said he can be considered and that is true

in fact ryu uses it internal and external too , the only difference is that he also know how to use the enviroments ki to help him ,