Ryu vs wong fei hung

Originally posted by Hoshi
i never said he was the best , i said he can be considered and that is true

Well yeah I guess, gen is ranked high because of his skill he's one of the few masters in sf along with oro and gouki. Wong is a master too and is very skilled so yeah...

in fact the great majority of sf can be considered masters , but there are some that are undisciplined and there are others that doesnt consider themselves masters , but in fact they are masters .As sun tzu said , "a true master dies not knowing it"

i cant post anymore , i am going t o finish my job , see you tomorrow

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Depends what game your talking about, vega would give ryu problems in alpha but in third strike no way, and like I said gen has less impressive feats than gouki but is able to give him a fight. so a persons feats doesn't equal his fighting ability

and we use current version's of the characters unless otherwise stated.....

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And the idea is the same, ki/Qi is a universal energy they're the same.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
They are the same you have offered no proof that they aren't, you seem to think that because you do MA you understand Qi, well your wrong they're the same live with it.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
And like I said Qi is a concept that isn't restricted to MA, It exsist within traditional chinese medicine, Meditation, and Philosophy. You rely ton feats too prove your argument, but as I said feats aren't too helpful in SF.

feats are NECESSARY to debate characters that have never met up before...
other wise there's no point in debating this since what we know has happened doesn't count for anything...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
what proof do you have that wong isn't on gens level, his skill speaks for himself.

you need to still prove numerous things...

how is wong going to deal with a superhuman punch from ryu?
how will he deal with ryu's hadoken?
how will he bypass ryu's chi amping in durability?
how will he deal with ryu should ryu decide to use a warp?
how would he deal with bypassing ryu's ability to lock onto chi before you can even get close enough to hit him while moving at warping speeds?

Originally posted by jinzin
again what gen can and can't do with his power is yet to be determined through feats.. just because capcom has not displayed such feats does not mean they don't exist.. and untill they do you can't impose the same limitations on him that wong has...

I can until evidence to the contrary is presented.

Originally posted by jinzin

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they may have the same general background but hoshi did an excellent job of explaining the difference.. Ki is pretty well accepted to be more physically potent than chi.

You have offered zero proof to back this claim up.

Originally posted by jinzin

because I haven't pulled up some halfass webpage that says so... again.. why would I need to, most traditional aspects of both chinese and japanese styles has been lost in america.. thankfully I'm not affiliated with groups like that.

Then offer proof to the contrary,prove Qi/Ki are different.

Originally posted by jinzin

I don't recall saying chi is restricted to MA you're strawmanning like crazy here....

feats are NECESSARY to debate characters that have never met up before...
other wise there's no point in debating this since what we know has happened doesn't count for anything...

the fact that akuma would kill wong in about 20 seconds, but gen was able to give him a good run for his money while sick pretty much "speaks for itself".

How does it speak for itself,wong never fought gouki so how does it speak for itself? All of wongs feats are similar to gen yet he's on a way ower level to you that's Bs. and again prove ki is more physical than Qi. your post sound like pure "bullshido".

Originally posted by jinzin

you need to still prove numerous things...

how is wong going to deal with a superhuman punch from ryu?
how will he deal with ryu's hadoken?
how will he bypass ryu's chi amping in durability?
how will he deal with ryu should ryu decide to use a warp?
how would he deal with bypassing ryu's ability to lock onto chi before you can even get close enough to hit him while moving at warping speeds?

The same way gen did with gouki, while having less feats.

This is all been blown out like crazy, I firmly beleive that Ryu would win this fight, Hung is a great fighter, don't get me wrong, he'd pose a good threat no question, but he can't win in the end. Ryu has displayed faster speeds AND reaction times, displayed far greater feats of strength, and the ability to project his Ki (the infamous Hadouken and all of Ryu's different versions of the move).

Wong has no defence against Ryu's specials and super arts... Wong's good, but in the end, he's still an ordinary man, Ryu's trancended quite a few human limitations.

And before we go back to the comparisons with Gen being like Wong Fei Hung, let me point out a Gen feat nobody else has performed, Gen emptied his spirit to avoid being killed by the Shun Goku Satsu.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This is all been blown out like crazy, I firmly beleive that Ryu would win this fight, Hung is a great fighter, don't get me wrong, he'd pose a good threat no question, but he can't win in the end. Ryu has displayed faster speeds AND reaction times, displayed far greater feats of strength, and the ability to project his Ki (the infamous Hadouken and all of Ryu's different versions of the move).

Wong has no defence against Ryu's specials and super arts... Wong's good, but in the end, he's still an ordinary man, Ryu's trancended quite a few human limitations.

And before we go back to the comparisons with Gen being like Wong Fei Hung, let me point out a Gen feat nobody else has performed, Gen emptied his spirit to avoid being killed by the Shun Goku Satsu.

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well there's really not much need for me to continue everyone can see who wins this fight except nocturne... meh wouldn't be the first time the guys been wrong.. certainly won't be the last.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

And before we go back to the comparisons with Gen being like Wong Fei Hung, let me point out a Gen feat nobody else has performed, Gen emptied his spirit to avoid being killed by the Shun Goku Satsu.

That was a meditation technique it really exsist, so that thing about no man can do it is not true.

Originally posted by jinzin
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punk

well there's really not much need for me to continue everyone can see who wins this fight except nocturne... meh wouldn't be the first time the guys been wrong.. certainly won't be the last.

I could say the same for you.

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
That was a meditation technique it really exsist, so that thing about no man can do it is not true.

Doing it that fast in the middle of combat is impossible, even for a Grand Master... Gen performed it at such a speed as to completely negate the time of which it would take during normal situations...

Originally posted by Blue nocturne

I could say the same for you.

no you couldn't plenty of people think ryu wins this... 😉

same can't be said for wong... ❌

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Doing it that fast in the middle of combat is impossible, even for a Grand Master... Gen performed it at such a speed as to completely negate the time of which it would take during normal situations...

Your crazy walking meditation exsist, it's called tai chi.

tai chi , created by a kung fu school that uses the internal energy , thawt style was created in wudan by the great master San Feng Cheung. It is a style that uses the: magic of 18 words, punchs of 6 arms and 10 breaking points tech .Tai chi has three ways that can never be broke : always have a clear mind and a pure heart .Never reveal the kung fu in an useless way.

What gen did is impossible to any normal man , he even stopped the flow of chi/ki , even tai chi cant stop the flow of chi , they can slow it down a little , but stop like gen did is freaking impossible
a friend from my karate said that , he is/was a taichi master , perhaps i didnt put it exactly how it was , but the basic is here.

Originally posted by Hoshi

What gen did is impossible to any normal man , he even stopped the flow of chi/ki , even tai chi cant stop the flow of chi , they can slow it down a little , but stop like gen did is freaking impossible
a friend from my karate said that , he is/was a taichi master , perhaps i didnt put it exactly how it was , but the basic is here.

Stop saying what he did was immpossible, he emptied his heart that's a real Meditation technique.And you can stop the flow of QI when Qi is blocked people die,so yeah.Why are you hyping gen up so much?

what do you mean? gen DID stopped the flow of chi , and as you said people die when the chi is blocked , that is why i said gen did an impossible feat, in the world if anyone did what gen did they would die .

Originally posted by Hoshi
what do you mean? gen DID stopped the flow of chi , and as you said people die when the chi is blocked , that is why i said gen did an impossible feat, in the world if anyone did what gen did they would die .

When did gen stop the flow of Qi, post evidence.

how woould he survive an attack that destroy the flow of chi in the persons body , shun goku satsu destroy all living things in the world , that mean in sf that he destroy the flow of chi inside anything .

Originally posted by Hoshi
how woould he survive an attack that destroy the flow of chi in the persons body , shun goku satsu destroy all living things in the world , that mean in sf that he destroy the flow of chi inside anything .

Shungokusatsu sends your soul to hell, depending on your karma the damage can be heavy or light. gen escaped by erasing his guilt and emptying his mind

lets start by parts , first letsdiscuss about ryu and wongs strengh .

Ryu lifted a rock as heavy as a ferrari(probaly heavier) and stayed in horse position for a long period of time(uncertain) , what proof you have that wong is stronger than ryu ?

i am going to argue by parts , that way is easier

Originally posted by Blue nocturne
Shungokusatsu sends your soul to hell, depending on your karma the damage can be heavy or light. gen escaped by erasing his guilt and emptying his mind

that is wrong, the soul is punished in hell , but even if you dont have any sin or even if your karma is pure you will still suffer the same .Shun goku satsu killed all , only gen , and gill(kind of) survived this attack.It already killed gouken and goutetsu, two of the most pure heated souls of the world.

Originally posted by Hoshi
lets start by parts , first letsdiscuss about ryu and wongs strengh .

Ryu lifted a rock as heavy as a ferrari(probaly heavier) and stayed in horse position for a long period of time(uncertain) , what proof you have that wong is stronger than ryu ?

i am going to argue by parts , that way is easier

Okay, Your comparing lifting strength, lifting strentgh doesn't equate to striking power. so that point is moot but wong has some decent strenght feats