Originally posted by Ushgarak
It didn't impact like a missile. What on earth makes you say that?I don't give a damn why they are not releasing them. The concept is too preposterous to entertain without evidence.
no it isnt preposterous at all. look up operation northwoods my friend. be really educated. no plane hit the pentagon. slowly people are waking up to this, now they have to ask..'who did this'. i think they know
and thats the point we should be addressing. now what hit the pentagon, but who did it and who stands to gain from these atrocitys.7
i suggest people look up 'the project for the new american century, and 'operation northwoods'
the first one talks about how there needs to be a new pearl harbour if there are to be advances in iraq. the document was written in 2000/ what happened a few months later? 9/11.
operation northwoods is a government document explaining how they are willing to carry attacks on there OWN country to frighten the people into going into wars.
PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION.
thats the key to understanding what really happened on September 11th 2001 and why. It works like this: you know that if you openly propose to basic freedoms, start a war or centralise power, there will be a public reaction against it. So you don't openly and honestly propose such plans, you play the P-R-S scam. At stage one you create a problem. It could be a coup attacking another, a government or economic collapse, or a 'terrorist attack. Anything in fact that the public will think requires a 'solution'. At stage two, you report the 'problems' you have covertly created in the way you wish the people to perceive them. Crucially you find someone to blame for the problem, a 'patsy' like Lee Harvey Oswald when President Kennedy was assassinated, or Osama bin Laden. You spin the background to these events in a way that encouri1ges the people to demand thi1t "something must be done". These are the words you want to hear because they allow you to move on to stage three, the sting. At this point you openly offer the solutions to the problems you have yourself created. These solutions, of course, involve the centralisation of power, the sacking of officials or politicians that are getting in your way, and the removal of more basic freedoms as you advance further to your global fascist state. Just think of the freedoms that have been removed because of 9/11.
In the weeks and months that followed 9/11, researchers who are interested in the real truth begin to dig away. Over and Over they establish and document the proof of how the official version was a lie from start to finish. But where are their reports published? In small-circulation newsletters, self-published books, on the Internet and radio stations that operate with a fraction of the money and potential audience of the Illuminati empires. Therefore, years after the official version has been demolished it still prevails in the public mind. Stop anyone in London, New York, Cape Town, Sydney, anywhere, and ask them what happened on September 11th, or in Oklahoma, the Second World War or Kosovo. Almost every time they'll give you the official story because that is the only one they have heard. If we had real mainstream journalism the problem-reaction-solution technique could not work. The official version of events would be investigated and shown to have no foundation. This fact would be communicated to the people and the public reaction, desired by the authorities, would not be forthcoming. But instead, we have media that is little more than a public relations office for the official version of life and that makes problem-reaction-solution a breeze for the manipulators.
First, why can't we 'feel' and 'know' our reality instead of insisting that the conditioned and manipulated mind must be the only arbiter of 'truth' through the production of evidence that it believes to be 'proof'? What is 'proof', anyway?
Proof is only that which the conditioned mind accepts to be so. Billions are convinced that the official version of 9/11 is true because of the 'proof' revealed by the United States government.
But they proved Bin Laden did it, surely? I heard them say that. Yes, exactly, we heard them say it and nothing more. They produced no 'proof' of anything, only the repetition of their fairy tale that billions accepted as 'proof'. It was those using their 'hearts', their intuition, who knew something was very wrong with the official version even before any further investigation had begun. I believe it is right that everyone should have access to all information available and not just the version that suits those in power.
When governments deliver the lies and excuses for their grotesque actions most people are ready to accept them because they want to believe the lies are true. The alternative is to face the fact that the government is not a benign servant of the people - it's the other way round. It is to face the reality that the forces which control the United States are capable of orchestrating the horrors of 9/11 and blaming someone else; and that they can brazenly attend funeral services for the victims while knowing they helped to kill them.
How many people are strong enough to face that and what it means for their lives? This is one major reason why the official lies prevail as accepted truth. The alternative is too unthinkable, too unbearable, to contemplate; so most people don't. Pass me a bucket, heavy on the sand.
Is this what Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon would really look like from nearby security cameras instead of the nondescript blur footage we have been subject to?
This is obviously a crude collection of doctored frames but if the government had released something similar yesterday would you have believed it? Many would.
Wary therefore we are of the potential for the government to eventually release clear footage of the impact from the 84 other cameras that were dotted around the Pentagon and would have easily documented the event to debunk 9/11 skeptics.
The government claims all 84 cameras either didn't capture the impact or that tape in the cameras was mysteriously empty and yet returned as normal to film the cleanup operations.
Judicial Watch has said it will continue to pursue footage from the other 84 cameras. If the government is telling the truth in saying that the tapes show nothing of interest then what are they trying to hide by not releasing them?
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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Rather than make up more lies about what I said, Captain, are you going to tell us yet how you 'know' that a 757 would have done more damage than was done?
Yeah, I'm making up lies, while your position comes from what? Personal experience? How many plane crashes have you been to?
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Not wanting to sound obvious here, but what do the conspiracy theorists say actually happened to Flight 77?
Yes, before anyone goes on about a missle hitting the pentagon, please explain where this flight disappeared to? There has been alot of conspiracey "evidence" put forward that makes out like a missle hit the pentagon. But I still believe it was flight 77, at least until someone turns up that missing plane.
I don't have much of a problem with believeing that a plane ran into the pentagon, heck we saw two plances run into the twin towers.
I think the hardest thing that I believe that was supposed to have happened was that the passengers from flight 93 fought back and that the plane crashed. I believe that plane was shot down by the airforce, and if it were, I would completely understand it.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
I think the hardest thing that I believe that was supposed to have happened was that the passengers from flight 93 fought back and that the plane crashed. I believe that plane was shot down by the airforce, and if it were, I would completely understand it.
ok, your on a plane, and the plane is hijacked. you're think about the countless times where a plane was hijacked, flown to some rouge nation, and the hostages were held for a few days and then released and you think "may as well play it cool, since ill risk the lives of everyone aboard if i tto be a hero".
then some dude taps you on the shoulder, says he called his wife and she told him about the wtc attacks. now you know you're not going to live through this, along with everyone else. would you still just play it cool?
i find the story of flight 93 very believable
Originally posted by PVS
ok, your on a plane, and the plane is hijacked. you're think about the countless times where a plane was hijacked, flown to some rouge nation, and the hostages were held for a few days and then released and you think "may as well play it cool, since ill risk the lives of everyone aboard if i tto be a hero".then some dude taps you on the shoulder, says he called his wife and she told him about the wtc attacks. now you know you're not going to live through this, along with everyone else. would you still just play it cool?
i find the story of flight 93 very believable
I wouldn't doubt that the passengers fought back, I just doubt that that was the cause of the crash.