Originally posted by BackFire
It IS a 757, it just isn't seen directly in the shitty video because of the slow frames per second. This is why this video is proof/evidence of absolutely nothing.
distance and frame dispute what you say. Provide evidence of a 757 hitting the building, otherwise. Can you? No. That tiny object was no more a 757 that was my balls hitting the building. Provide the evidence. You can't. Because it doesn't exisit.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
distance and frame dispute what you say. Provide evidence of a 757 hitting the building, otherwise. Can you? No. That tiny object was no more a 757 that was my balls hitting the building. Provide the evidence. You can't. Because it doesn't exisit.
I've provided evidence throughout this thread, as has Ush. From the airplane debree, to the list of the passengers, to the picture which shows damage caused by the wings (which you refuse to accept for whatever reason) to eyewittness reports.
All of which is factually more evidence then there is for it being a mysterious missile launched by a mysterious party from a mysterious place that no one has ever seen and no one can rightfully explain.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Where is the physical, AND video proof of a 757 hitting the building? Where is the governments response?
There is no proof of the 757 hitting the building, if there was there would be no debate on the matter.
What there is is evidence, which is more than the missile conspiracy theory has.
Originally posted by BackFire
No, we don't all agree on that, that's the problem. The only thing we all agree on is that this particular video doesn't clearly show the plane hitting it.
No, but explain to me what "else" hit the building on this day, or with this result? What else do you propose it was that hit the building? On that day, or with that result?
Originally posted by BackFire
Nothing else did hit the building. Just the plane.
And the video evidence, which has not been disputed by the goverment?
Do you profess that there WAS a 757 that appeared in the first few frames of the video provided? The single video we have? The single video provided without dispute from the current administration? Clearly it was not. What it was, I won't profess what is WAS, but what it wasn't: was a 757. That much is apparent. So, if it isn't a 757, then where do were rest on the official story? What was it? What wasn't it?
Yes, there was a 757 that's shown in one frame, but the quality is too shitty to show it in a clear manner, hence why some people think it's a missile.
Like I said, this video is shit, it should be absolutely ignored as it shows nothing of value other than something hitting the pentagon. The nose of what is shown is what's in question. I think it's the nose of Flight 77, which is supported by numerous sources and evidence. Others think it's a strange missile that can't be explained and has no evidence supporting it other than a persons belief that it wasn't Flight 77 that hit the pentagon based on this video because they don't think the nose looks like a 757 nose.
Look, bottom line, there is no video evidence to collabororate a substantial video. The object is NOT a 757. Get back to me when it is. I will listen. Hey, you know me. I'm willing to listen to reason....but reason is absent. As soon as you disprove my stance, I will follow like a sheep in wool cloth. I've always respected you BackFire...but I don't see it here. Provide another video, or another first hand account. My step-father was outside the pentagon that day, and he doesn't agree. He was in a hotel on the outter express. I'm just looking for proof. Not a fight over right and wrong between long terms on this site. The evidence doesn't support your position, nor does the the people who defend it. When was the last time I was a conspiracy monger? Never! I'm looking for undisputed evidence, by those who were there, that this event didn't happen. And the government, nor the people, can dispute it.
Originally posted by BackFire
There is no proof of the 757 hitting the building, if there was there would be no debate on the matter.What there is is evidence, which is more than the missile conspiracy theory has.
there are 3 videos that could prove it but the government wont release them. that says a lot.
I tend to agree. I couldn't say what it was without a shadow of a doubt, though I do admit I lean towards the claim it was a plane - simply because of logical problems I have with the missile theory.
I mean, I wondered about the logistics and times and all that if it were a missile. If we conclude actual planes did crash that day, and it was such a big surprise, how did these shadowy figures manage to get a missile off in such good time so that it fit in with the other attacks? And considering the amount of time it takes for authorisation to launch missiles and all that.
That and if it was a missile, what happened to the plane? It did actually exist prior to the attack, and it no longer did after... really to make the theory work have it would have to have the US knowing about the whole thing from the get go and planning accordingly.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Look, bottom line, there is no video evidence to collabororate a substantial video. The object is NOT a 757. Get back to me when it is. I will listen. Hey, you know me. I'm willing to listen to reason....but reason is absent. As soon as you disprove my stance, I will follow like a sheep in wool cloth. I've always respected you BackFire...but I don't see it here. Provide another video, or another first hand account. My step-father was outside the pentagon that day, and he doesn't agree. He was in a hotel on the outter express. I'm just looking for proof. Not a fight over right and wrong between long terms on this site. The evidence doesn't support your position, nor does the the people who defend it. When was the last time I was a conspiracy monger? Never! I'm looking for undisputed evidence, by those who were there, that this event didn't happen. And the government, nor the people, can dispute it.
So now everything needs direct video evidence to be true? That's shit. Just because a video doesn't show something happening doesn't mean it didn't happen.
If you're so sure that it's not a 757, then maybe you could prove your stance, prove that it was a missile, hell, provide any kind of evidence that it was a missile. Also maybe you could explain where the aviation fuel came from that caused the building to burn so intensely and why there is plane debree, also perhaps you can let me know where flight 77 actually went. Did it fly into the burmuda triangle? What about the passengers on board? Where did they go? Is this the twighlight zone or something?
I don't give a crap about your step-father in a hotel, what he just happened to be looking out his window for the split second that the plane crashed into the pentagon? He actually saw it happen? You want first hand accounts, how about the firefighters that actually went into the pentagon to put the fire out and ALL of them agreeing that it was Flight 77 that caused the damage! What more do you want? This is reminiscent of the people who refuse to believe the evolutionary theory because there hasn't been a fossilized monkey with a human child inside of it. It's just being stubborn. The common evidence, and all sound reasoning supports that it was Flight 77. This crap of "I didn't see it happen so it didn't" is just silly, man.
There is no proof! Hence why there's even a disagreement, if there was proof it wouldn't be an issue because it would be proven and it would be clear to everyone. There is evidence. You say the evidence doesn't support my position? So plane debree outside of the pentagon, clear wing damage to the outside of the building, aviation fuel causing the building to burn, eyewitness reports from those who saw it and from the firefighters who put the fire out claiming it was a plane, a full plane that went up and NEVER came down. How do these things NOT support it being a plane?
