How many Colossuses(is that correct?) does it take to beat a Juggernaut?

Originally posted by leonidas
has juggs stood up to a nuclear attack? only prob i have with your post ill is that it implies ANY sound of large enough magnitude would be disabling. the explosion of a nuclear warhead would be deafening. nimrod used a tightly focused beam to attack. your attack would be omnidirectional. it's possible that the narrow beam worked on a particular portion of juggs brain, something that wouldn't be pinpointed by an omnidirectioanl attack of the kind you suggest. what is the biggest attack juggs has withstood?

I'm not sure what his greatest show of durability is, there's just so many. If I had to choose though I would probably say taking the god blast from Thor without so much as a scratch.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't see how a psychic's ability to astral project and leave their body has anything to do with Juggernaut's vulnerabilty. The ability of your consciousness being able to leave your body in energy form and ascend to another plane of awareness has no bearing on Juggernaut's brain being vulnerable to sensory stimuli on the physical plane.

Thought is simply a form of energy, and all energy is transferable.

It makes perfect sense that EM manipulators like Magneto or Silver Surfer would be able to attune to the wavelength, all energy is related. Hell, Silver Surfer has made thoughts into holographic images percievable on the physical plane.

Also, comic book martial artists have been displayed to grow in skill to the point where they attain mental abilities through discipline.

Prime example:

Stick, Daredevil's sensei.

It's a sensory ability.

Extra Sensory Perception, Extra Sensory Communication, and Extra Sensory Psychokinesis (bka telekinesis).

Swanky the arguement that Cain's organ's shouldn't be susceptable is logical. Yes he can eat sleep and do all that but if he doesn't need to as stated and shown before then it is safe to say that an attack on those same systems that aren't needed would not produce in end result. If you take out the stomach of someone who doesn't need to eat then will that have an effect on him. If you remove the nervous system from someone who has had all his muscles removed and still moved then would that effect him.

I'm not saying nimrod didn't happen and if you want to use that as an example fine but realize there are other feats out there that can show something else and that one must have an open mind on the subject.
Especially if normally on forums the higher end feat is what is used.

And we have gotten off target if you want to use the the Nimrod feat then one must realize that it was a speific attack on cain's nervous system while normal Thunderclaps would have no effect as they are mostly concussive force that more or less bombards the eardrums and won't work well enough to overload the system for long. Meaning that Cain would be up soon as it would only be a temporary solution. Plus if Cain had his shield up the attack would basically have no effect. Point no matter how many Colossi you bring they can't put him down for good. And only so many can come at once, since cain is never tiring he can continue to fight until Judgment Day.

You Juggernaut fanboys-especially soujaboy-really make me laugh. When Juggernaut has something happen to him (Nimrod's sonic blast) and you don't like it, you whine and say, "Yeah, but that was bad writing!!!!".

So basically here is what I have concluded: you fanboys think the Juggernaut should be written the way you would write him: beating down God, Galactus, and Godzilla at once and then hopping back into your beds. I'm sorry, but you guys are laughable. Bottom line? Juggernaut has been dropped by Nimrod, dropped by a psychic backlash BY THE HULK, and whomped by Onslaught. You don't like it and that's fine, but it's happened.

Oh, and if you read the Avengers/JLA crossover-which is canon-you'll find a scene where he gets punked by Green Lantern.

You call us fanboys, yet we give conclusive facts on everything we state? Were not making things up, everything that has been given has either been stated in comics or stated in Marvel bio's.

Now yes they have good points, and yes Nimrod did put Cain down. We think the situation should have happened one way they think another. Isn't that the whole point of debate?

This was a good thread with good conversation before you came. Please don't ruin it with your ignorance.

BTW, you haven't been here for more than 20 post, so why do you think you have the right to judge me?

Originally posted by bherrle
You Juggernaut fanboys-especially soujaboy-really make me laugh. When Juggernaut has something happen to him (Nimrod's sonic blast) and you don't like it, you whine and say, "Yeah, but that was bad writing!!!!".

So basically here is what I have concluded: you fanboys think the Juggernaut should be written the way you would write him: beating down God, Galactus, and Godzilla at once and then hopping back into your beds. I'm sorry, but you guys are laughable. Bottom line? Juggernaut has been dropped by Nimrod, dropped by a psychic backlash BY THE HULK, and whomped by Onslaught. You don't like it and that's fine, but it's happened.

Oh, and if you read the Avengers/JLA crossover-which is canon-you'll find a scene where he gets punked by Green Lantern.

Other than that I never really state anything not supoorted by facts I never just go this is bad writing it should never happen that WAY CAN IS UNBEATABLE.
I always back up what I say. 😉

Originally posted by newjak86
Swanky the arguement that Cain's organ's shouldn't be susceptable is logical. Yes he can eat sleep and do all that but if he doesn't need to as stated and shown before then it is safe to say that an attack on those same systems that aren't needed would not produce in end result. If you take out the stomach of someone who doesn't need to eat then will that have an effect on him. If you remove the nervous system from someone who has had all his muscles removed and still moved then would that effect him.

We know Juggernaut can be sustained by magic but we also know his body isn't simply a dead vessel for some incorpreal form of himself.

If Nimrod used infra-sound instead of ultra-sound and blurred Juggernaut's vision to the point where he was basically blind and threw off the pressure in his inner ears so he couldn't walk should that not work? Should his eyeballs not be vibrated in his fleshy sockets because he can see when they're not there? Or should the difference in endolymph pressure not affect his balance because he can still hear without ears?

Originally posted by bherrle
dropped by a psychic backlash BY THE HULK

Oh, and if you read the Avengers/JLA crossover-which is canon-you'll find a scene where he gets punked by Green Lantern.

Originally posted by bherrle
You Juggernaut fanboys-especially soujaboy-really make me laugh. When Juggernaut has something happen to him (Nimrod's sonic blast) and you don't like it, you whine and say, "Yeah, but that was bad writing!!!!".

So basically here is what I have concluded: you fanboys think the Juggernaut should be written the way you would write him: beating down God, Galactus, and Godzilla at once and then hopping back into your beds. I'm sorry, but you guys are laughable. Bottom line? Juggernaut has been dropped by Nimrod, dropped by a psychic backlash BY THE HULK, and whomped by Onslaught. You don't like it and that's fine, but it's happened.

Oh, and if you read the Avengers/JLA crossover-which is canon-you'll find a scene where he gets punked by Green Lantern.

That's not necessary man. I'm trying to keep the tone of this debate friendly and respectful. No need for fan bashing. It's childish and out of place.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
What I'm saying is while he has the organs they function like "normal organs", for the billionth time. When he has eyes they still recieve light and send images to his brain but without them he can still see. When he has muscles they flex when he lifts the corner of a building, but without them his arms still move. When he has a stomach he still digests food and absorbs it into his body, but without... I guess it'd just sit in the hole where his stomach was, or fall through to the floor if he's a skeleton is.

We know Juggernaut can be sustained by magic but we also know his body isn't simply a dead vessel for some incorpreal form of himself.

If Nimrod used infra-sound instead of ultra-sound and blurred Juggernaut's vision to the point where he was basically blind and threw off the pressure in his inner ears so he couldn't walk should that not work? Should his eyeballs not be vibrated in his fleshy sockets because he can see when they're not there? Or should the difference in endolymph pressure not affect his balance because he can still hear without ears?

You can hardly give full credit to Hulk, a character with no telepathic abilities, for aiding in Juggernaut's defeat by simply being crotch grabbingly resistant to mind control.

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I don't think it is, at least not in both companies, but damn straight. You'd have a short list of people who wouldn't get massacred by a good Green Lantern.

Originally posted by newjak86
Umm yeah the Nimrod thing did happen [b]but what I'm was stating was another appreance that can be used to disprove it since both are Canon.
Um the only really bad writing in terms of Juggs I don't agree with at all is Onslaught and I've already discuseed that in another thread once if you want i can so you it.

Other than that I never really state anything not supoorted by facts I never just go this is bad writing it should never happen that WAY CAN IS UNBEATABLE.
I always back up what I say. 😉 [/B]

What occurance disproves Juggernaut is vulnerable to sonics? Even with his shield up he can hear.

Wasn't Juggernaut in a magical realm with a pink energy glow when he walked around as a skeleton? That's not his normal state.

Originally posted by illadelph12
What occurance disproves Juggernaut is vulnerable to sonics? Even with his shield up he can hear.

A get what you guys are saying

Originally posted by newjak86
Not sonics but that his body does no need the organ system that was effected and therefore whould have no effect on Cain.
Yes the skeleton bit is a one time occurance yet the same can be said for the Nimrod event.
Juggernaut is not a widely feated character in that he doesn't have very many feats as he is not a featured character.
While he was a skeleton once he has been staed and shown to not need other basic systems like his ability to not need air which he demonstrated when he walked from a boat underwater unti lhe reached land.

There's a difference however.

The sonic attack is not the only time Cain's senses have been effected. He's been mind-controlled, fell victim to illusions, had other sensory attacks (telepathy).

There is a precedent that the only way to attack Juggernaut is to effect his brain/senses directly.

Conventional assault simply won't work.

Originally posted by illadelph12
There's a difference however.

The sonic attack is not the only time Cain's senses have been effected. He's been mind-controlled, fell victim to illusions, had other sensory attacks (telepathy).

There is a precedent that the only way to attack Juggernaut is to effect his brain/senses directly.

Conventional assault simply won't work.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Wasn't Juggernaut in a magical realm with a pink energy glow when he walked around as a skeleton? That's not his normal state.

Juggernaut wasn't in the Earth Realm when that feat took place, correct?

Originally posted by newjak86
It is true that Cain is not a dead body but if someone can in turn not feel pain and exist without said organs then if someone attacks them would it not be simple for the person not needing them to disregard what is effecting them.
If his are being attacked then would he not be able to say well I don't need them really. While they will vibrate eventually a point must be reched where if he can function without them then something else must account for his ability to still do that function meaning that if he can move a building as a skeleton then something other than muscles is exerting the force. Therfore flexing muscles have no barring on whether or not Juggs can move something it is this other thing that is moving them.

And we have no evidence to show Juggernaut has an conscious ability to manually "shift" between using his physical body or magical senses in the case of a nonlethal, non damaging yet debilitating attack that sonics can deliver.

Originally posted by newjak86
An we're right back to sqaure one of whether or not TP can be included in the same degree as sonic attack and whether not they truely attack the same thing.

Telepathy attacks the brain via stimuli.

Sonics effect the brain via stimuli.

Anyone remember back in Uncanny X-men 241 when Juggernaught chased Dazzler and she had him momentarily hypnotized with little bubbles of light?

"I worshiped her... I killed her..."

I thought he liked Dazzler, like Rhino, already.

im going to say 2. 1 to screw in the lightbulb and... oh they cant beat him.