Originally posted by ares834
Yep. It's up on the website if you're intrested.Only very slightly and when he was attempting to talk during the saber lock.
Or we can go with the simplest explanation, it took a lot out of him to put Skywalker down. I really don't see the problem with this. It's not showing that Dooku is weaker than we believed but rather that Anakin is more powerful, which IMO is a very good thing. Furthermore, in the RotS novelization Dooku becomes exhausted while battling Anakin one on one prior to Anakin going all zen. So really there is no contradiction.
Soooo....
Why is Dooku tired from having done the following:
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[*] Two saber locks with Anakin
[*] Traded a few swipes with him
[*] Dodged a few swipes from him
[*] Used the Force to pretty much incap him[/list]
It's not like we haven't seen Dooku use the Force to TK everything in sight without breaking a sweat. He's routinely used it while fighting off multiple assailants while drugged, dodging saber swipes in a narrow hallway, slashing behind his back at the same time, etc.
But somehow Anakin's latent emonesspower tired him out?
I don't buy it, sorry. In-universe, we could "argue" exhaustion from rapid Force use (that Anakin didn't even defend against), but it doesn't make a great deal of sense. IRL, we'd conclude that's it's poor storytelling and inconsistent with previous showings or... just arguing about it endlessly.
For my part, I'm chalking both characters up to inconsistency. For one, Anakin's not being aggressive in the fight; he's turtling like Obi-Wan. Second, Anakin shouldn't be floored by magnaguards. He's shown proficiency to destroy them before. And third, Dooku shouldn't need an inhaler from showing substantially less activity during a fight than normal.
Blax
Frankly, I don't see how Dooku can fight an extended duel against Yoda of all people without a single gasp for breath, whereas fighting Anakin with the help of four magnaguards requires some kind of special effort.
Dooku's duel with Yoda was fairly short and the latter was clearly pulling his punches with the former. When they fought in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, despite the substantial benefits of a dark side nexus on Vjun {which diminishes the physical attributes of Jedi}, Dooku is still noted to perspire dramatically. Add to the fact the exhaustion Dooku experiences in the ROTS novelization and I'd say there's enough precedent for this to not be inconsistent.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
In-universe, we could "argue" exhaustion from rapid Force use (that Anakin didn't even defend against), but it doesn't make a great deal of sense. IRL, we'd conclude that's it's poor storytelling and inconsistent with previous showings or... just arguing about it endlessly.
Oh, I'm not saying it makes sense or that it's entirely consistent. This is the Clone Wars afterall. Just that it appears that it took a lot out of Dooku to put Anakin down.
As for the Magnaguards, I'd say that they are highly elite. We already have serveal variations of skill with the normal Magnaguards and these ones have yellow lights rather than blue.
Anakin's underwent something of an upgrade since half-way through season three. Taming two of the Force-wielders is pretty l33t given their demi-god nature. I can buy that Dooku struggled to contain the Chosen One.
{Especially since Dooku struggled somewhat with Anakin even as far back as the Clone Wars film.}
Originally posted by Turr_PhennirYoda/Dooku's duel wasn't much shorter than Anakin and Dooku's duel, considering that their duel was broken up into multiple segments, with Dooku having break time while Anakin fought off the magna droids at multiple instances.
Dooku's duel with Yoda was fairly short and the latter was clearly pulling his punches with the former. When they fought in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, despite the substantial benefits of a dark side nexus on Vjun {which diminishes the physical attributes of Jedi}, Dooku is still noted to perspire dramatically. Add to the fact the exhaustion Dooku experiences in the ROTS novelization and I'd say there's enough precedent for this to not be inconsistent.
As for the fight on the invisible hand, Dooku was fighting both Anakin and Obi-Wan simultaneously, at the point in the mythos where they had both reached their prime in dueling ability. Anakin ultimately was the better duelist. By that point. At the time they fought in this episode, that's not the case. Point being, fighting off Anakin and Obi-Wan in their sexual prime and becoming exhausted as a result isn't really indicative of anything.
Blaxican
At the time they fought in this episode, that's not the case.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here, since I didn't remotely insinuate that that's the case. Dooku struggling but ultimately overcoming Anakin's raw power doesn't constitute superiority on Anakin's part in anything but raw power.
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I was simply bringing up scenarios in which certain duels have taxed the Count noticeably or brought him to the point of exhaustion. But both duels are similar in that here and during the fight in ROTS, it is Anakin's raw energies {which are vastly beyond Dooku's} that give him any sort of edge. In that regard, the duel in ROTS is very relevant. When he taps into that reservoir of power, it makes him uncommonly formidable for his age and experience.