Is finding it really hard to care about why Mara is a scrapper or why Caedus is a beast. Every time I start to post, I have been interrupted by someone from IRL.
Can someone give me a motivation for following through on those threadsthis board?
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Despite tradition, no additional points will be given for pretentious asshattery.
Many avian life forms posses a region of their bodies that contain a biological magnetite, generally in their beaks. It is believed this gives them a strong magnetoception and thus allows them to sense direction accurately. More recently, it has been shown that certain birds have the ability to see magnetic fields. How this works is the Earth’s magnetic field effects how long a certain molecule, cryptochrome, in their photoreceptor cells stays in the active state. This then affects the light sensitivity of the bird’s retinal neurons. The net effect is the birds can perceive magnetic fields with their eyes. The biological magnate and ability to perceive magnetic fields with their eyes are thought to combine to form a very accurate mapping and directional system in the birds.
So you lied in your profile.
Thats just awful. 😐
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"When i was a teenager, i was able to reach into the gravity well of a Gas Giant and pull a spacecraft out of it. That's something not many Masters can accomplish. I could do because i was strong with the Force... and because i had absolute faith in my right to do so. But i doubt i could do it today, i'm no less skilled, and i'm a lot more powerful. But now i know my intended purpose was not a good one, and that knowledge would deny me the focus i needed to perform the task. So, was i a master then, or am i a master now?"
- Jedi Master Kyp Durron
Very interesting.
... I don't get it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So you lied in your profile.Thats just awful. 😐
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"When i was a teenager, i was able to reach into the gravity well of a Gas Giant and pull a spacecraft out of it. That's something not many Masters can accomplish. I could do because i was strong with the Force... and because i had absolute faith in my right to do so. But i doubt i could do it today, i'm no less skilled, and i'm a lot more powerful. But now i know my intended purpose was not a good one, and that knowledge would deny me the focus i needed to perform the task. So, was i a master then, or am i a master now?"
- Jedi Master Kyp DurronVery interesting.
... I don't get it.
Jedi are imbeciles? They are self-crippled fools that make the Federation of Planets seem aggressive? They are terrified idiots afraid to accept that they have the power to do some crazy shit, so they run away from it like spineless children instead of simply accepting this fact and being responsible about it? Really, Jedi only win because the Sith are chaotic stupid.
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
The decision might be absurd in that it is arguably unwise for Luke to do so, but that is the consistent explanation that spans multiple authors and series.
So does he also "hold back" when it comes to boosting his natural abilities with the force? Did he also "hold back" in his last duel with Lumiya, when he was out to avenge the death of his wife and even saved her from falling into a chasm, just to have the chance to kill her personally? Did he "hold back" when confronting Sidious in "Dark Empire", outduelling the Sith Lord with a lightsaber? Did he hold back, when outright resisting the force push delivered at him by Unu'Thul, commanding the combined might of billions of Killiks and Joiners?
I don't see, why, to you, this explanation is "consistent" or serves as a solution to certain problems within the material. If anything, it spawns as much questions as it does answer. Why would somebody, who is reluctant to use huge amounts of power utilize and teach techniques to harness the force energy of others. He asks Leia to join his potential to his own in "Dark Empire" in order to defeat Sidious - no second thoughts there. He teaches his students to join their force powers in the Jedi Academy trilogy with the consequence, that one of them actually dies when channeling the combined powers of the others. The active use of battle melt during the NJO series is another of this instances. Where is the supposed "consistence" of your explanation there?
'All out' in what context? Technically, one could argue that in order to go 'all out', Luke must indulge in dark side philosophies {if not powers}. The closest thing to a Jedi fighting without much restraint and not succumbing to the dark side that springs to mind is Yoda's attack on the Emperor in the Rotunda; he immediately goes for the kill and does not offer his opponent mercy-- it is obvious that he intends to commit regicide. But even then I'd hesitate to say that he's truly going 'all out'-- he does not use dark side powers despite his familiarity with them.In this regard, I'd say that these battles presume that the opponents apply a level of force that is not inconsistent with who they are. Pretty much every Jedi {and especially the Sith} show a willingness to kill in the context of a duel, but that doesn't mean that the Jedi in particular will utilize every power at their disposal.
So I suppose it all comes down to what you really mean when you use the phrase 'go all out'.
I don't think that we've seen many occassions in which characters entered a fight with the desire to kill their opponent and do it as quickly as possible. Such an event is usually prevented by the relations between characters within the storyline, or by character traits. For example: Even when Dooku wants to kill Yoda, his previous relation to his former master might stop him from going "all out" on the Jedi Master.
Thus being said, to me "all out" means, that the characters use everything they could, in order to defeat oposition as quickly as possible - even when they usually wouldn't do that. So, for example, Exar Kun would probably attempt to use his amulets on an opponent first, even if he would usually prefer lightsaber duelling.
And to me, the closest fighting without restraint a Jedi did perform, would have been the use of Vaapad by Mace Windu against the Emperor. Because he enjoyed fighting, rather than viewing it as some sort of necessity.
Not necessarily, because those limitations are there-- imposed by their deceitful minds. Essentially, we would have no reason to believe certain characters are prepared to indulge in superhuman feats if they've never shown the desire or willingness to do so.
I wonder why, whenever I'm trying to point to how certain things are narrated, you're trying to defend your position by pointing to what is told. To come up with a proper analysis, one has to look at both of these fields, but here, the "how" is consequently ignored. Different modes of narration? Who cared? Nobody, until the day, I brought it up. Limitations of certain types of media and styles of narration coined by them? Literaric topoi? Coherence of source material written by different authors? According to the statements of LFL officials, we should look at those things:
"The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable." - Steve Sansweet, Chris Cerasi: "Ask the Jedi Council", 2001.
But apparently, nobody cares about it, aside from the commonly accepted idea, that RPG stats and other game mechanics aren't canon.
Obviously, a lot of limitations present in the source material, are just present because of artistic reasons. If Luke were allowed to use the various force abilities he has demonstrated over the years, there would be no challenge left for him. Technically, he is able to defeat any opponent in a fight since the Black Fleet trilogy, due to his ability to turn invisible and make himself unsenseable in the Force via manipulation of the "White Current". He could sneak up to any opponent and kill them or summon entire illusional fleets out of nowhere. But if he would use those abilities, there wouldn't be much of a story to tell.
The second group of limitation does arise from the individual media we're dealing with. Visual form of media is rather limited, when giving us some inside to the characters thoughts. Hence we get supplemental material like the TUF novel sometimes. But mostly, when computere games are concerned, we're left with what is shown in the game - and in many situaitons that isn't much, provided that - for example - most things the Exile did are dependent on decissions of the player.
It depends on what you mean by impressive. In terms of raw destruction, I'd be inclined to side with the Force Storm-- it's capable of destroying anything, whereas Nihilus's technique is designed to end life.
I'm afraid. But per Lucas own words, the force storms aren't canon:
"The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..." - George Lucas in "Total Film", May 2008.
You see?
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Seriously: I was referring to the amount of force mastery and force energy needed in order to perform a certain task. Sidious force storm - while impressive - doesn't require much personal force powers, rather than concentration to control ones hatred in order to trigger those storms. Also those ability of Sidious is far away from being the "most destructive", if we consider the use of Sadow's ship and the storm unleashed by the Sith Lords on Ruusan.
Force mastery is gained through "intense study and dedicated training" (The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, Volume I, pg. 285)-- I see no evidence that Paratus, an insane fugitive, would have become more proficient in the ways of the Force stranded on Raxus Prime. Is it possible? Sure, but I would submit that it is highly unlikely.
Well. We don't know the exact powerlevel of Kazdan Paratus to begin with. Just because he isn't one of the main characters of the PT, doesn't exclude the possibility that he is rather powerful. As Vader says:
"Kazdan Paratus is far more powerful than you. I do not expect you to survive." - Darth Vader, The Force Unleashed.
And getting stronger with the force while being insane wasn't much of a problem for Joruus, was it? 😉
I suppose I'd need to see an example of an actual discrepancy beyond Grievous. The newer series is on a higher level of canon than the micro-series or novels, and it comports itself with what we see in the films-- General Grievous is a dangerous fighter, but a coward who is ultimately far less formidable than what we saw in the aforementioned novels and micro-series. In order to battle Council-level Masters, Grievous relies on deception, numbers, and the environment to prevail {not to say that he's incapable of defeating Jedi without those, but that the series has made it abundantly clear that he won't steamroll Jedi Masters as he did in previous incarnations}.
It wasn't his lack of ability to slay Jedi that irked be, but his lack of tactical ability. He makes some really retarded decissions in the series in that regard. Yet, Grievous was just one example of constant changes made within the source material, because some author just makes some artistic decission, however stupid they may be...
Originally posted by Borbarad
[B]So does he also "hold back" when it comes to boosting his natural abilities with the force? Did he also "hold back" in his last duel with Lumiya, when he was out to avenge the death of his wife and even saved her from falling into a chasm, just to have the chance to kill her personally? Did he "hold back" when confronting Sidious in "Dark Empire", outduelling the Sith Lord with a lightsaber? Did he hold back, when outright resisting the force push delivered at him by Unu'Thul, commanding the combined might of billions of Killiks and Joiners?I don't see, why, to you, this explanation is "consistent" or serves as a solution to certain problems within the material. If anything, it spawns as much questions as it does answer. Why would somebody, who is reluctant to use huge amounts of power utilize and teach techniques to harness the force energy of others. He asks Leia to join his potential to his own in "Dark Empire" in order to defeat Sidious - no second thoughts there. He teaches his students to join their force powers in the Jedi Academy trilogy with the consequence, that one of them actually dies when channeling the combined powers of the others. The active use of battle melt during the NJO series is another of this instances. Where is the supposed "consistence" of your explanation there?/B]
The above quote from Kyp and Zampano's thread in the Literature & Expanded Universe sections offer some insight into explanations to what Gideon's saying. Its not necessarily that he's holding back.