Originally posted by shinkoryu
You mean you missed the days when [b]you get bullied and ur mums finger up your arse. [/B]
Wow. Does your homeroom special ed teacher allow you to bring in computers? I'm rather certain there are preventative measures in place at the "special" schools for a reason.
Also DE, who cares if you get called a ***. What kind of tool do you have to be to take offense and run off crying to someone?
Originally posted by Sith SorcererCant be any worse than you getting beaten up by girls and then getting pissed on by jocks.
Wow. Does your homeroom special ed teacher allow you to bring in computers? I'm rather certain there are preventative measures in place at the "special" schools for a reason.
Originally posted by Sith SorcererSomeone like yourself fat ass.
What kind of tool do you have to be to take offense and run off crying to someone?
Originally posted by Nephthys
SS, I don't think you understand what being bullied actually is. Bullies don't just call you a ***. Its not that simple. Plus these are children. Being made to feel like a freak at that age can be fairly damaging, especially if you're already an insecure person.
We aren't discussing physical abuse, just verbal. Physical abuse should definitely have its limitations although i'd argue that if you got your ass kicked in my generation (yea i'm old and have been on both sides of that coin), you took the hits and moved on. Of course back then, there was no internet and the bullies didn't take anything to that extreme.
Its not even physical abuse. I'm more talking about serious harrasment. Things never got physical for me yet I still knew I was being bullied and harrased and that made me even more introverted and nervous than I already was.
And now its ok to insult someone if you can come up with a small justification of it? It'll do more harm than good imo.
Originally posted by NephthysWell think of it this way, they insult or beat you, and if they can "justify it", why can't you justify yourself if you retaliate back?
Its not even physical abuse. I'm more talking about serious harrasment. Things never got physical for me yet I still knew I was being bullied and harrased and that made me even more introverted and nervous than I already was.And now its ok to insult someone if you can come up with a small justification of it? It'll do more harm than good imo.
Originally posted by NephthysNo, I think kids need to be kids and its natural behavior for kids to bully others and to be bullied. Surprisingly, most people that are bullied turn out just normal when they get older and realize all those bullies or people that made fun of them don't have any animosity towards them and were the product of adolescence. I have a problem with this law just like I have a problem with every little insult being completely blown out of proportion.
Its not even physical abuse. I'm more talking about serious harrasment. Things never got physical for me yet I still knew I was being bullied and harrased and that made me even more introverted and nervous than I already was.And now its ok to insult someone if you can come up with a small justification of it? It'll do more harm than good imo.
I really don't get what the big deal about bullying is. It's been happening since we first started forming tribes, it's only being made a big deal of these days due to a combination of generational pussification and the advent of social media. Thousands of generations of humankind have been bullied and we still managed to wind up where we are. Strong, insecure, stupid people will always have a reason to pick on others, and it shows a strength of character in the victim to suffer it and move on from it. I can sympathize on a level to kids being picked on--it's happened to most people at one point or another.
But I have absolutely zero sympathy for someone who decided to end their own existence because someone's being mean to them, or they're embarrassed. I see that as culling the herd of the weak.
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The problem is its this new pussy generation who spend their life on social networks. I'm sure the seniors here were all bullied even once in their lives. I bullied myself and was bullied. Everyone understood that when you left school, everything was normal again. I absolutely echo LL's sentiments about having no sympathy for anyone that commits suicide because of bullying. Get your head out of your ass and move on.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I really don't get what the big deal about bullying is. It's been happening since we first started forming tribes, it's only being made a big deal of these days due to a combination of generational pussification and the advent of social media. Thousands of generations of humankind have been bullied and we still managed to wind up where we are. Strong, insecure, stupid people will always have a reason to pick on others, and it shows a strength of character in the victim to suffer it and move on from it. I can sympathize on a level to kids being picked on--it's happened to most people at one point or another.But I have absolutely zero sympathy for someone who decided to end their own existence because someone's being mean to them, or they're embarrassed. I see that as culling the herd of the weak.
I would do the thing where you quote successively smaller fragments of your post until the reprehensible part is isolated, but that sounds like work. Instead:
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
zero sympathy
And it is not just schoolboys who are the perpetrators of this abuse. Teachers are both facilitating and joining in such abuse. Jim Whitney's Facebook account posted homophobic comments including "Moral of the story: Don't be gay" in response to an article about a suicide shared by a former student. (Link) Viki Knox "referred to homosexuality as, 'a perverted spirit that has existed from the beginning of creation,' and a 'sin' that 'breeds like cancer.'" (Link) Jerry Buell posted that "'If they want to call it a union, go ahead,' 'But don't insult a man and woman's marriage by throwing it in the same cesspool as same-sex whatever! God will not be mocked. When did this sin become acceptable???'" (Link)
Most damning of all is this video where a beating was caught on tape, possibly by the attacker's cousin. He lies in wait and brutalizes a classmate after having posted hateful comments about the victim's sexuality to Facebook. (Link)
(The video was painful to watch for me, but is not internet-awful, just real-world awful.)
YouTube video
Schools are not safe places for LGBT youth; this is evident by the sheer volume of suicides we've seen. The increases in exposure, especially through new technologies like texting and social networking, are amplifying and worsening the effects of the anti-LGBT culture that resonates so powerfully withing schools.
I say resonates because it is not anything unique to schools that is causing this pattern. Indeed, school children are rarely anything but imperfect reflections of their parents' positions. Instead, it is the attitude that harassment during school is somehow less important than harassment in any other setting. The assault in that video was originally going to result in a 3 day suspension. Hell, forget what the victim's sexuality is, that was violent! It was only after the story went national that assault charges were raised.
Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer
While the chanting and extensive verbal raping deserved a good ass kicking (ha take that bullies!), since when did we become a society where verbal abuse constitutes an assault charge? Have we fallen so far?
This is the reason why I never came out at school. The idea that it would be my job to get over everyone else's problem is ludicrous. The assholes' right to free speech ends the second it gets in the way of my right to feel safe. In a perfect world, this conflict would be dealt with by simply avoiding the neanderthals. Choice of association is the single greatest defense against idiots. However, for as long as attendance is mandatory, schools will have a moral (if not legal) obligation to provide a safe environment.
That is why the bullying issue is important. Not because it is the government's business how kids treat one another, but because the government is failing in its moral obligation to safeguard the children it has drafted into the educational system. If the only way to deal with the recent and unprecedented streak of suicides and bullies empowered by brand new technology is a comically overblown response, then that is what must be done.
Originally posted by Zampanó
]This is the reason why I never came out at school. The idea that it would be my job to get over everyone else's problem is ludicrous. The assholes' right to free speech ends the second it gets in the way of my right to feel safe. In a perfect world, this conflict would be dealt with by simply avoiding the neanderthals. Choice of association is the single greatest defense against idiots. However, for as long as attendance is mandatory, schools will have a moral (if not legal) obligation to provide a safe environment.
I always suspected, my gaydar is strong with the force. Anyways, ive been in plenty of fights in elementary and middle school and on losing ends of those and verbal arguments and I never once felt "unsafe". This has to be a product of the new generation because this wasn't happening 15 years ago. On the other hand, I'm not sure how being called a "***" hinders your ability to feel safe. Extreme cases notwithstanding, "boys will be boys." You do not see this crap in college for the most part unless its harmless banter (which I was fully involved in and do not regret and nobody really took it personally).
That is why the bullying issue is important. Not because it is the government's business how kids treat one another, but because the government is failing in its moral obligation to safeguard the children it has drafted into the educational system. If the only way to deal with the recent and unprecedented streak of suicides and bullies empowered by brand new technology is a comically overblown response, then that is what must be done. [/B]
I wouldn't call the streak "unprecedented" because we haven't really qualified that term. I'd say that the absolute majority of the bullying is an overblown response and is pretty much harmless, which also becomes more harmless as everyone in that group gets older. Some situations are bad, sure, but they warrant a good ass kicking, not jailtime. If I have a rally telling you to go kill yourself, I deserve to get the shit kicked out of me but ultimately you're the one proving your weakness and my point by taking it to heart and going through with it.
Originally posted by Sith Sorcerer[/b]
I always suspected, my gaydar is strong with the force.
Anyways, ive been in plenty of fights in elementary and middle school and on losing ends of those and verbal arguments and I never once felt "unsafe". This has to be a product of the new generation because this wasn't happening 15 years ago. On the other hand, I'm not sure how being called a "***" hinders your ability to feel safe. Extreme cases notwithstanding, "boys will be boys." You do not see this crap in college for the most part unless its harmless banter (which I was fully involved in and do not regret and nobody really took it personally).
(I have been in 3 fights in my life, only one of which was in High school. I got suckerpunched, hit them back, and walked away. That guy didn't bother me again.)
I wouldn't call the streak "unprecedented" because we haven't really qualified that term. I'd say that the absolute majority of the bullying is an overblown response and is pretty much harmless, which also becomes more harmless as everyone in that group gets older. Some situations are bad, sure, but they warrant a good ass kicking, not jailtime. If I have a rally telling you to go kill yourself, I deserve to get the shit kicked out of me but ultimately you're the one proving your weakness and my point by taking it to heart and going through with it.