The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Stealth Moose3,287 pages

Originally posted by Zampanó
The "some of my favorite books" is about the Dresden files, isn't it?

Spoiler:
They're terrible

Wait, I'm not supposed to use spoilers anymore
They're terrible.

As for the sexism, you can't argue with the utter manhandling and then sidelining of Bastilla's character, nor the (now recurring) theme of a woman leader of Mandalore begging the prodigal warrior to take over for her.

I agree with about ninety five percent of her evaluation of Karpyshyn, and probably 60% of her peripheral rage at related authors.

I'm not familiar with the other authors, but I do agree with her review of Revan. Just those excerpts, wow. It looks painful and horribly horribly "subtectonic" and "plebeian".

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
ME2 came out in early '10. Last I checked, that was less than 2 years ago and therefore not even close to being old.

Anything more than four months old is a classic. Let's wrestle.

Finished ME2. Only got Thane killed. Serves him right for being boring and shit.

Naturally I told the Illusive Man to shove it where his big blue sun don't shine.

I managed to keep everyone alive and happily handed the base over to the Illusive Man. Considering the vast effort I expended in ME 2 to be on friendly terms with Cerebus because I totally agree with them, I find it irritating that they are suddenly bad guys. No doubt the Illusive Man will turn out to be some Reaper pawn.

It was a no win scenario really. Either you blow it up and break ties with him, or Cerberus gets the Collector base and gets indoctrinated.

He's obviously out for Human Dominance anyway. The galaxy needs to stop creating threats to stop threats. Giving him the base would just lead to more fighting, even if Cerberus didn't turn on you in ME3.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Miranda and Jacob, both of whom are clearly on your side at the end. Hope Miranda at least is a party member in ME3. I may be in the minority, but I still liked her. She was a good No2. Well, her and Garrus. Jacob was meh.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/advanced-batman-theory-why-nolan-will-kill-bruce-wayne/?wa_user1=3&wa_user2=Movies+%26+TV&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module

Mind=Blown.

Also:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-most-elaborate-dick-moves-in-online-gaming-history/

Also

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=50341

Cody is gonna feel sooooo good about himself when that film comes out.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Also:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-7-most-elaborate-dick-moves-in-online-gaming-history/

Brought tears to my eyes. Just so much win.

I think I've said this time and time again but Southland Tales has to be the biggest mind**** I've ever seen, and I can't stop watching it every time I start.

Originally posted by Lucius
I managed to keep everyone alive and happily handed the base over to the Illusive Man. Considering the vast effort I expended in ME 2 to be on friendly terms with Cerebus because I totally agree with them, I find it irritating that they are suddenly bad guys. No doubt the Illusive Man will turn out to be some Reaper pawn.

DER SPOILERZ:

Spoiler:
Apparently, a little birdy says that Cerebus does betray you in ME3, so great job giving him that base.

Also, surprised Cody wrote a decent article when he's notorious for making shit videos.

Anything more than four months old is a classic. Let's wrestle.

Bring it.

Screw Cerberus.

IMO the party members for ME3 should be Garrus, Liara, Miranda, Mordin, Tali, Legion and Wrex, one for each major race.

And Blasto of course.

But apparantly lame, crappy Kaiden and Ashley and some new prick are in the party. Ghey.

I want a Volus Spectre.

"Time to die, Earth-clan!"

EDIT: Anyone else get the impression through ME1 and 2 that the series is becoming entirely too human-centric?

Yes. Very much. I was kind of uncomfortable at certain parts.

edit: Though Bioware is pretty human-centric. The official reason we can't play as Wookies or any other non-humanoid race in TOR is that its harder to identify with ugly aliens. 😬

It's really kind of jarring, to have this complex universe full of sentient aliens who are basically all cookie-cutters of each other.

All asari are nearly identical females. They all start life as warriors and bar dancers, then graduate to "have kids" stages, then get old and become the typical mystical old woman.

All volus are identical clumsy, narrow minded merchants who have no real faces and are trapped in a metaphorical pressure chamber. They rely on others to defend themselves.

All turians are apparently disgruntled, honor bound males. They can be evil, but if they are, it's because they are too self-important to realize their own pride and unsound logic.

All Quarians are faceless mechanical-inclined gypsies, who can't find a planet to live on even though humans who were relative newcomers to the universe are almost everywhere and are accepted with ease.

All elchor are lumbering gentle giants. That being said, elchor Spectre, ftw.

Really, all aliens are not complex at all beyond first glance. Compared to humans, they are "less genetically diverse", "less creative" (this is in response to why the turians, with the largest military might in known space and rigid, stoic battle doctrine could not overcome the humans in the First Contact War), "untrustworthy" (Although humans can be scum throughout the game, all batarians are thought to be liars and thieves, salarians all have that cold, sneaky scientist bent, asari are all temptresses, volus are all dumb merchants, etc.). Pretty much the only subversion to the stereotyping is the poetic Korgan on Illum.

I don't think I would agree with you. Out of the main races I think theres a lot of character and varience to them. Sure, not as much as Humans, but its pretty ****ing hard to match our established world with 2 video games.

The Asari are kind of like that just because of their 3 stages, but their genetic varience proves you wrong there. Also Liara is an Maiden Asari who acts like a Matriarch, and isn't a warrior or dancer (her attempts at being threatening are hilarious imo).

Volus, Hanar etc are secondary races not in focus without any party members, so its no wonder they aren't too fleshed out.

Garrus shows that not all Turians militaristic pricks who love order and heirarchies. Also theres a lot of Turians mercs in ME2 and you encounter drunken soldiers, turian scientists, janitors and shopkeepers.

Visiting the Quarian fleet shows that theres quite a bit of varience in their culture. But they can't settle on a world firstly because of their immune system and because they just don't want to.

Wrex shows that not all Krogan are thugs, and that they are capable of introspective viewpoints and social growth. Also Okeer was a geneticist rather than a thug. But really the Krogan are supposed to be culturally primitive.

In short its unfair to expect 2 games to be able to show races as diverse as humanity. And while theres kind of a Planet of hats thing going on, your blowing it out of proportion. Not all Batarians are bastards (remember the guy you save on Omega) but their culture is focused on slavery etc, Salarians are not all cold, sneaky gits (Mordin is one of the nicest guys in both games) asari are not all temptresses (again, Liara). But Volus do suck.

The cultures are homogeneous. The characters with names might have some differences, but really all the aliens are the same. This is an old science fiction trope.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
DER SPOILERZ:

Spoiler:
Apparently, a little birdy says that Cerebus does betray you in ME3, so great job giving him that base.

Also, surprised Cody wrote a decent article when he's notorious for making shit videos.

This makes no sense to me because my Shepard is pro Cerebus and there wasn't really anything he and the Illusive Man disagreed on.

EDIT - And who would betray Shepard if he's on your side? He's the most competent individual in the galaxy. I can only assume some Reaper bullshit.

ME3 spoilers:

Spoiler:
The Illusive Man sides with the Repears because he thinks they will win and they tell him if he works for them they will let him survive. Or some BS like that.

THAT

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