Originally posted by ZampanóWe can, he was amazing a few weeks ago. Extremely interesting stuff when you talk about how the bible counts time and how time is transformed into real time in terms of counting, after adam and eve are born.
DS, i'm sorry I disappeared. I actually saw a protestant version of your Dr. Schroeder give a speech at my university, so if you still want to talk about that I'm mostly up to date.
Just curious, but what is Trayvon Martin's record look like? If he has no priors, this sounds very odd.
I've been spotted leaving convenience stores with Arizona tea and candy, wearing a black hoodie even, but people generally don't report me to the police for being suspicious. Am I not black enough? I'll attempt to look up more later, but with just this one article, the only thing that can be said conclusively is that Martin was shot, and Zimmerman was roughed up. Anything other than that appears speculation.
Perhaps not conclusive evidence, but it seems awfully strange that Zimmerman saw a young kid in a hoodie coming out of a store "looking suspicious." After looking around a bit, I can't seem to find any more specific reason. "Being young in a hoodie", "being black in a hoodie" and "all of the above" don't constitute unusual behavior. None of these justify Zimmerman's suspicion nor his police call. It's not like he was running out of the store and hundreds were flying in his wake.
While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death.
Zimmerman, 28, is 5-foot-9 and weighs well over 200 pounds.
Trayvon was substantially taller, but he was hardly a brawny kid. To put that into perspective, I was 6'2", 175 lbs. in my senior year of high school, about the same age as Trayvon. I had exactly zero people accuse me of looking suspicious for wearing a hoodie, coming out of a store with Skittles and Arizona tea.
The bottom line is that Zimmerman's "it was self-defense" story doesn't work if he actively instigated danger. At no point did Trayvon seemingly attack Zimmerman, stalk him, or in any way menace or harm others in the immediate area. Zimmerman, against the advice of law enforcement officials, engages Trayvon, a scuffle ensues, and the boy is dead.
Why would the boy be reaching for Zimmerman's gun? Why was the gun even used? You mean to tell me that if you point a gun at a kid, he won't back down? You have to use deadly force? Here's a fun idea - why is a concealed weapon in view when approaching someone you have already called the cops on? What is Zimmerman, John Wayne? What the **** was Trayvon going to fight back with? Lanky limbs and a tea bottle?
Like it or not, Dave, Zimmerman's defense is utter bullshit, and if it's found out he pursued and engaged the kid simply because he was "found being black in public", then they ought to string him up in court.
"Is George a racist? The answer is no, absolutely not. He's not a racist," attorney Craig Sonner said about his client. "The incident that transpired is not racially motivated or a hate crime in any way. It was self-defense."
Really? So what motivation did Zimmerman have to call the police and then follow the kid? "Acting suspicious" is concrete like "being friendly" is specific.
Since when is having a white/Hispanic heritage remove any kind of anti-black bias? So only white people can be racist? How ****ing retarded is that.
Florida's "Stand your Ground"...
776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
What it boils down to is that at no point is there evidence that Zimmerman did anything but instigate the aggression, did anything to retreat or attempt anything other than fire one deadly shot into Martin. Having cuts and scrapes and shouting help doesn't mean anything. For all we know, Martin was trying to defend himself from some crazy guy pulling a gun on him, and we have no real way to verify this since he's DEAD.
I can see why people are angry. You shouldn't be so eager to dismiss them because of one website looking at one angle of the story.
First, it would be nice of you to link what it is that you're reading.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Perhaps not conclusive evidence, but it seems awfully strange that Zimmerman saw a young kid in a hoodie coming out of a store "looking suspicious." After looking around a bit, I can't seem to find any more specific reason. "Being young in a hoodie", "being black in a hoodie" and "all of the above" don't constitute unusual behavior. None of these justify Zimmerman's suspicion nor his police call. It's not like he was running out of the store and hundreds were flying in his wake.Trayvon was substantially taller, but he was hardly a brawny kid. To put that into perspective, I was 6'2", 175 lbs. in my senior year of high school, about the same age as Trayvon. I had exactly zero people accuse me of looking suspicious for wearing a hoodie, coming out of a store with Skittles and Arizona tea.
The bottom line is that Zimmerman's "it was self-defense" story doesn't work [b]if he actively instigated danger
. At no point did Trayvon seemingly attack Zimmerman, stalk him, or in any way menace or harm others in the immediate area. Zimmerman, against the advice of law enforcement officials, engages Trayvon, a scuffle ensues, and the boy is dead.
Why would the boy be reaching for Zimmerman's gun? Why was the gun even used? You mean to tell me that if you point a gun at a kid, he won't back down? You have to use deadly force? Here's a fun idea - why is a concealed weapon in view when approaching someone you have already called the cops on? What is Zimmerman, John Wayne? What the **** was Trayvon going to fight back with? Lanky limbs and a tea bottle?
Like it or not, Dave, Zimmerman's defense is utter bullshit, and if it's found out he pursued and engaged the kid simply because he was "found being black in public", then they ought to string him up in court.
I can see why people are angry. You shouldn't be so eager to dismiss them because of one website looking at one angle of the story. [/B]
3. "Plan the sequence of your questions" (again, with the planning...Boston Legal did three trials a week and I saw no planning. What gives???)
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonI want to post that picture on Facebook so much... but I'm afraid my sister will never speak to me again.
http://www.constitutionaldaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1575😖tate-v-zimmerman-just-the-facts&catid=58:graphic-and-gratuitous&Itemid=65
Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
http://constitutionaldaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1577:need-to-use-deadly-force-in-florida-theres-a-law-for-that&catid=42:news&Itemid=71
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonI agree with the point the author is making, but that law is stupid as ****ing hell and should be modified so that it's less vague and abusable.
http://constitutionaldaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1577:need-to-use-deadly-force-in-florida-theres-a-law-for-that&catid=42:news&Itemid=71
Yeah. Ended with me not speaking to the majority of my family who are scattered across the country due to a lack of convenient communication. The only way I ever get to talk to Polaski is via Facebook for example, since she's on a navy boat somewhere and doesn't really have internet access. Life kind of sucks that way.
As far as social networking sites go, I kind of preferred Myspace.