Bro, don't even you are talking to a HP MASTER!
But fo srs, they're not screaming out magical spells or anything. Star Wars is no more fantasyesque than it used to be. Some of the earliest books was stuff like 'Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu' where he fought ****in' Sorcerers of Tund throwing fireballs around.
Originally posted by NephthysIf that kind of stuff is what you see when you watch the movies, then you're definitely drinking spiked tea. The films (even the PT) is what got me in to Star Wars. And the films have always been of the variety of Sci-fi that focuses on the aliens/robots/lasers/spaceships etc. It's not the fireballs/teleportation/voodoo dolls/transfiguration/conjuration, or anything else that wouldn't sound out of place on Harry Potter's curriculum or Skyrim's attack options.
Star Wars is no more fantasyesque than it used to be. Some of the earliest books was stuff like 'Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu' where he fought ****in' Sorcerers of Tund throwing fireballs around.
You're right, it is about the zen stuff. The subtle, ethereal, barely perceptible, mental crap. It's not about the magic spells or the Kamehamehas. So anything that brings Star Wars back to the robots/aliens/lasers/spaceships etc., is good in my books.
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If that kind of stuff is what you see when you watch the movies, then you're definitely drinking spiked tea. The films (even the PT) is what got me in to Star Wars. And the films have always been of the variety of Sci-fi that focuses on the aliens/robots/lasers/spaceships etc. It's not the fireballs/teleportation/voodoo dolls/transfiguration/conjuration, or anything else that wouldn't sound out of place on Harry Potter's curriculum or Skyrim's attack options.You're right, it is about the zen stuff. The subtle, ethereal, barely perceptible, mental crap. It's not about the magic spells or the Kamehamehas. So anything that brings Star Wars back to the robots/aliens/lasers/spaceships etc., is good in my books.
Sure, Star Wars has sci-fi parts, but only because its essentially a fantasy in a sci fi setting. The OT still had things like mystical vision quests on Dagobar and an evil emperor shooting lightning from his fingertips. The part of Star Wars to do with the Force and Jedi, the part that we're actually talking about, has always been much more mystical than science fiction. They're not fighting with lightsabers because omglaserssocool, they're fighting with lightsabers because they're sci fi versions of swords.
Sure, but to act as if this is a new phenomena thats dragging SW down oh noooo! is just plain wrong. Force-as-Magic has been a part of SW since Obi-Wan disappeared into thin air in ANH. SW has always been part Harry Potter magic and part Sci-fi and frankly? Star Wars would be SHIT without that stuff.
PS. Also Force Lightning is basically a magic spell so you're wriong there too. 😛
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sure, Star Wars has sci-fi parts, but only because its essentially a fantasy in a sci fi setting. The OT still had things like mystical vision quests on Dagobar and an evil emperor shooting lightning from his fingertips. The part of Star Wars to do with the Force and Jedi, the part that we're actually talking about, has [b]always been much more mystical than science fiction. They're not fighting with lightsabers because omglaserssocool, they're fighting with lightsabers because they're sci fi versions of swords.Sure, but to act as if this is a new phenomena thats dragging SW down oh noooo! is just plain wrong. Force-as-Magic has been a part of SW since Obi-Wan disappeared into thin air in ANH. SW has always been part Harry Potter magic and part Sci-fi and frankly? Star Wars would be SHIT without that stuff.
PS. Also Force Lightning is basically a magic spell so you're wriong there too. 😛 [/B]
I'm sorry, did you just compare lightning from your fingertips to waving a faggoy wand and saying "bibbity bobbity boo"? The CLOSEST connection SW has to wizards and all that crap is the Sith Sorcerer when he's reciting incantations and even then, it's a far cry from being the same.
Originally posted by NephthysNone of what you said reflects what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to say the fantasy element never existed, I'm saying that it was subtle. It was downplayed, it was low key. The greatest acts of "magic" were vague visions and a ghost. That's it. Some slow moving telekinesis and spontaneous finger electricity to top off the cake.
Sure, Star Wars has sci-fi parts, but only because its essentially a fantasy in a sci fi setting. The OT still had things like mystical vision quests on Dagobar and an evil emperor shooting lightning from his fingertips. The part of Star Wars to do with the Force and Jedi, the part that we're actually talking about, has [b]always been much more mystical than science fiction. They're not fighting with lightsabers because omglaserssocool, they're fighting with lightsabers because they're sci fi versions of swords.Sure, but to act as if this is a new phenomena thats dragging SW down oh noooo! is just plain wrong. Force-as-Magic has been a part of SW since Obi-Wan disappeared into thin air in ANH. SW has always been part Harry Potter magic and part Sci-fi and frankly? Star Wars would be SHIT without that stuff.
PS. Also Force Lightning is basically a magic spell so you're wriong there too. 😛 [/B]
Compare that to voodoo dolls, reanimated zombies, transfiguration, conjuration, and apparent teleportation (all in TCW). Not using science and technology, but by using the same "Force" that Yoda spoke of in ESB. That shit from TCW isn't the Force. Neither is the super saiyan stuff in TFU. Or the planet drainers in KotOR and TOR. Or the giant Force wormholes in DE. Or the time travel bs from LotF. That's not what Yoda and Ben talked about, it's not what Luke and Vader fought for. Even the Prequels--the frackin' Prequels, with their goddamn midichlorians--showed a closer resemblance to the original Force. The Force has just become a carte blanche Macguffin for any writer who wants to throw magic powers and superbeings in to Star Wars instead of compelling personal stories and thoughtful stories. Lightsabers and magic powers. Flashy colors and videogame moves. What trite.
Basically I want them to get away from the Jedi/Sith/Force stuff. It's clear they're not going to ease up on all the special effects and overboard magic powers, so just stay away from that all together. There's an entire galaxy to explore and talk about, it doesn't need to be focused on the one or two groups of superbeings every time.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If that kind of stuff is what you see when you watch the movies, then you're definitely drinking spiked tea. The films (even the PT) is what got me in to Star Wars. And the films have always been of the variety of Sci-fi that focuses on the aliens/robots/lasers/spaceships etc. It's not the fireballs/teleportation/voodoo dolls/transfiguration/conjuration, or anything else that wouldn't sound out of place on Harry Potter's curriculum or Skyrim's attack options.You're right, it is about the zen stuff. The subtle, ethereal, barely perceptible, mental crap. It's not about the magic spells or the Kamehamehas. So anything that brings Star Wars back to the robots/aliens/lasers/spaceships etc., is good in my books.
One reason why I really like Dark Horse- in combat it almost always sticks with the lightsabers and blasters, not new uber force powers and what have you.
Originally posted by Q99That is about the one reason they're okay. Though it doesn't make up for Leia looking like a square jawed man.
One reason why I really like Dark Horse- in combat it almost always sticks with the lightsabers and blasters, not new uber force powers and what have you.
And no 1313. I was looking forward to that game for obvious reasons.