The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by NemeBro3,287 pages

Originally posted by Zampanó
This comic explained it best. Male superheroes are drawn as power fantasies for men. Female superheroes are drawn as sexual fantasies for men. A comic drawn for a female audience would (and does!) look much different.

(Slice of life anime comics are drawn with male characters for girls to obsess over, and they certainly are not spandex-highlighted muscle gods.)

Or to explain it another way: "Since this superhero does not appeal to my notion of male beauty, it can't be a sexualized caricature".

lol, what a joke.

White people aren't discriminated against like minorities are.

Aren't white people the minority? While discrimination does still exist, it's nowhere near as prevalent as it used to be. Idiots like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson play the race card anytime they can. But when 3 black boys beat up a white boy on a school bus, everyone's silent. The only racism that seems to exist is towards anyone other than blacks.

It is impossible to be racist against white people.

Really? So if I call someone a n******, I'm racist. If they call me a cracker, that's fine? Now you can understand why our society is in danger of going to hell. The double standards leaning towards anyone not white is ridiculous. No, this isn't a KKK rally. I despise sharpton and Jackson because they don't even pretend to be objective. "Anything done to our people is racist but we can do whatever we want because it's ok".

Originally posted by Zampanó

2. It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.

It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is [b]impossible
to be racist against white people.

It is impossible to be racist against white people. [/B]

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haermm

Those lines of emotes always remind me of:

Racist!

http://www.cracked.com/article_20548_5-pieces-star-wars-technology-that-exist-right-now.html

Holy ****!

Wooo SCIENCE!

Originally posted by NemeBro
Or to explain it another way: "Since this superhero does not appeal to my notion of male beauty, it can't be a sexualized caricature".

lol, what a joke.


Simmer down. The feminist argument is that super women are drawn as male sexual fantasies. The neckbeard counter argument is that 'male superheroes are sexualized as well so women have something to drool over as well!' This is a false equivalence because, on the whole, overdeveloped body builders are not the current standard of male beauty for the western world where most comics are sold. Thus, although both male characters and female characters are physically stylized, the type of distortion is absolutely not sexual in the same direction or to the same degree.

Yes, there are people for whom the comic book character is attractive. Hell, I could name at least two (gay, mostly porn) tumblrs featuring exclusively Comic characters. But to argue that there exists a set of people who finds that attractive is much different than to argue that the design is intended to entice or titilate. (MLP and the weirdly powerful effects of rule 34 show that things can be sexually appreciated even when not explicitly designed with sex appeal.)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/22/teen-charged-in-thrill-kill-australian-college-student-in-oklahoma-has-racist/

Where are the jackasses Sharpton and Jesse Jackson now?

Wow, thats some ironic timing.

Just speaks volumes of the "minority" community and their leaders.

😆 Touché

Rev. Jesse Jackson said in a tweet Wednesday that he was "praying for the family of Chris Lane. This senseless violence is frowned upon and the justice system must prevail."

(From that same article)

I will grant that this is a pretty solid counterargument to my (over)simplified post above. It is obviously possible for a person to be prejudiced against white people and even to commit a Hate-crime based on that. I stand by my assertion though in that there is no systematic disadvantage faced by white people because they are white.

This post is a tragedy, yes. But it does not contradict the national social forces that lead to a disproportionate number of black people being jailed, or the wage gap, or the systematic disenfranchisement being attempted in NC, or (etc).

(From that same article)

That's not what I'm looking at. I'm looking at all the lack of outrage that exists from the leaders of the black community. You are supposed to hold your group accountable, just like with any other group. If a Jew was responsible for an atrocity, I would hold him accountable, not live on "my people right or wrong" mentality.

As usual, I think you're both partially correct. (Except for the "lol u cant be rasist agenst wites" remark, which was breath-taking in its stupidity.)

Zamp's correct in that minorities do indeed face plenty of inexcusable systematic societal disadvantages. On the other hand, Beefy's right, "black culture" is fraught with hypocrisy and moral selectivity. Fox News rightly called black leaders like Sharpton and Jackson out over pontificating Martin's death at Zimmerman's hands while black on black crime is downright epidemic and is pretty much ignored by mainstream and black media.

Zamp's correct in that minorities do indeed face plenty of inexcusable systematic societal disadvantages

While I never denied this as it undoubtedly still exists, albeit in a smaller form, it is the black culture that turns to this is justification for everything they do.

Originally posted by Zampanó
Hush dear, the grown-ups are talking.

I will grant you that a single scan does not demonstrate the sexism of a particular piece of work. So the specific comic may or may not turn out to be insensitive. But the thrust of the argument as I understand it is that women are portrayed as masturbatory fantasies across the entire medium of comics. So, like, a female protagonist may save the day. Sure. But just by dint of being in a comic she will be painted as some sort of idealized sex-symbol.

And the difference between women's treatment in comics (objectification, unattainable stylization) and men's treatment in comics (idealization, unattainable stylization) is the way that attitudes translate into real-world behavior. Generally speaking, comics nerds aren't terribly inviting to female readers. That is the root of the objection, I think.

I feel like you're jumping all over the place. Can you consolidate your argument, please?

That picture of Spiderwoman was still incredibly stupid.

Your Mom is incredibly stupid, etc.

Current Black Culture is a complete and utter joke.

Your Mom is a complete and utter joke, etc.

Originally posted by Zampanó

2. It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.

It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is impossible to be racist against white people.
It is [b]impossible
to be racist against white people.

It is impossible to be racist against white people. [/B]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/22/teen-charged-in-thrill-kill-australian-college-student-in-oklahoma-has-racist/