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The problem I see coming is where does the line between gay rights and religious rights get drawn? That is a debate that is coming. Gay marriage should be legal sure, but should a church be required to perform a gay marriage when that church's religion has homosexuality as a sin? I think not. It's important to protect everyone in this issue, or else the call for "tolerance" just becomes a weapon that we aim at each other in political situations. Enough such weapons exist already that it would be a shame to turn a noble pursuit such as that one into a political ploy.

What's humorous about today's media of society is that if you're not 100% on board with something, like same sex marriage or whatever, you automatically get labeled a bigot. It's sad that the majority of this ultra sensitive demographic have no idea what that word means.

the word "bigot" truly has no meaning anymore. It's working definition is "Someone who doesn't agree with me on a political issue."

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http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2hdd3yv%3E&s=5#.Ureo2sRDuSo

Pretty dang sweet.

Originally posted by truejedi
The problem I see coming is where does the line between gay rights and religious rights get drawn? That is a debate that is coming. Gay marriage should be legal sure, but should a church be required to perform a gay marriage when that church's religion has homosexuality as a sin? I think not. It's important to protect everyone in this issue, or else the call for "tolerance" just becomes a weapon that we aim at each other in political situations. Enough such weapons exist already that it would be a shame to turn a noble pursuit such as that one into a political ploy.

What would be your solution? Because I agree with you here too. But how do we solve the problem? Perhaps legalise gay marriage, but leave it up to the minister whether he wants to perform it?

But then, hasn't the (awesome) Pope spoken out in favor of gay marriage recently?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Perhaps legalise gay marriage, but leave it up to the minister?

See, I would do it this way, but it has to be consistent. I've seen articles like this: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2012/02/canadas-homeschoolers-cant-teach-against-homosexuality/

And I understand that it is Canada, but we are going through the same cultural situations here, and I understand the article is slanted, but the bill WAS passed. Idk, I agree with this cause, let's not raise a bunch of little homophobes, but still, the principle being set here alarms me. What if I don't agree with the next thing they want to tell people they have to teach their kids?

It isn't that they're teaching them anything, its that they can't teach them intolerance towards homosexuality. Frankly thats a good thing. They shouldn't be able to teach that for the same reason they can't teach antisemitism or any other forms of prejudice.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Btw, take a moment to gander at my awesome attempt at a poor man's swordfish setup.

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2hdd3yv%3E&s=5#.Ureo2sRDuSo

I believe what it said they couldn't teach them was that homosexuality was a sin, right? So it is a religious belief that they can't teach them. I agree with you that it is probably just as well in this case, but our opinions of how valid the law is shouldn't trump those parent's rights to teach whatever religion they want to their children.

Originally posted by truejedi
I believe what it said they couldn't teach them was that homosexuality was a sin, right? So it is a religious belief that they can't teach them. I agree with you that it is probably just as well in this case, but our opinions of how valid the law is shouldn't trump those parent's rights to teach whatever religion they want to their children.

Good. Schools shouldn't have the right to teach children that anything is a sin. Let the parents teach them whatever they want at home, but leave religion out of the classroom.

No, that link was for legislation targeting homeschooling, and for private Christian schools. Agreed on public schools.

Ehhh, I'm still for that.

One hundred percent against a government that can legislate what a parent is forced to teach their own child.

Homeschooling is already kind of weird, so if they're going to do it, do it carefully.

I don't know about all of that.

Wow, ROTJ Vader is a complete moron. Why did no one report him? For want of a speedbag? Ah well.

Also, Nemebro, elves are the master race, and you're thinly veiled anthropocentric viewpoints are the product of lesser blood that runs through your veins.

Fact: Elves live forever and were Eru's First-Born and possess the most of his gifts among those native to Middle-Earth.

Fact: Elves can pretty much own armies solo.

Fact: Elves found dwarves and humans living in their own filth and raised them up, only to be betrayed by both as they fell to Melkor and Sauron later.

Fact: Elves establish eco-friendly communities while dwarves and humans rape the land and give little back.

Fact: Elves pretty much could have prevented the whole War of the Ring if it weren't for stupid humans.

Fact: Elves did everything first and did it better.

This logic is unable to be assailed. I win.

Elves also can't go chill with Eru Illuvitar in heaven.

Men are the Master Race, elves are ass monkeys.

In The Hobbit. Legolas was my favorite of Aragorn, Gimli, and him in LotR. estahuh

But he is nothing compared to Boromir.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Elves also can't go chill with Eru Illuvitar in heaven.

No, just with the Valar in the West. Unlike humans, dwarves, and hobbits. Gimli and Frodo are like the 0.0000000001% of their species to get a pass.

Men are the Master Race, elves are ass monkeys.

LOLNOPE. In the books, Aragorn admits he cannot take down even a portion of the Nine and is afraid of them. Glorfindel pretty much wrecks their day. Elves > Humans.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Wasn't it AMERICA who started the recession in the first place? Seems to me that you yanks ain't doing so hot either.

There is no atheist cult since atheism has no structure. We're better than you crummy christians though. Call me when atheist priests molest thousands of children.

Yeah, my labor prof told us that when America gets a cold, Europe gets the flu. It's like you're our immuno-compromised roomates.

Bubbleboy...er, continent?

All of your insults are a boring rehash of my own. Have you no original bone in your entire body?

Originally posted by truejedi
See, people are trying to make it a freedom of speech issue, and that's incorrect, because freedom of speech just means he cannot be prosecuted for saying something, not that his employer has to tolerate actions that hurt that employer. However, i do see it as a religious intolerance issue. I'm for gay rights. I think gay marriage should be legal, and generally I do think disparaging comments against large groups of people are ever right.

The problem I see coming is where does the line between gay rights and religious rights get drawn? That is a debate that is coming. Gay marriage should be legal sure, but should a church be required to perform a gay marriage when that church's religion has homosexuality as a sin? I think not. It's important to protect everyone in this issue, or else the call for "tolerance" just becomes a weapon that we aim at each other in political situations. Enough such weapons exist already that it would be a shame to turn a noble pursuit such as that one into a political ploy.

(Note: Social pressure is very different from legal pressure! If these churches remain rooted in a now-defunct prejudice, then it is a predictable sequence of events which will see their congregations begin to demand change.)

ALSO: ENTS ARE THE MASTER RACE
ALSOX2: I was unimpressed by the jerky camera angles and BBC sitcom quality cinemetography of Hobbit 2: The Hobbitting.

Originally posted by Zampanó

This is a good point, that gay rights are going to require a concession from the religious right. However, this is not a concession that is unreasonable to expect. The trick is that the concession is only about secular affairs, not religious ones. The Catholic Church hasn't been legally compelled to accept women as clergy members. But it has been legally compelled to deal equitably with organizations involving women. Similarly, churches are not going to be legally forced to participate in gay marriage, but they will be obligated to respect those unions which exist.

(Note: Social pressure is very different from legal pressure! If these churches remain rooted in a now-defunct prejudice, then it is a predictable sequence of events which will see their congregations begin to demand change.)

ALSO: ENTS ARE THE MASTER RACE
ALSOX2: I was unimpressed by the jerky camera angles and BBC sitcom quality cinemetography of Hobbit 2: The Hobbitting.

👆, except that elves taught ents to speak.

Elves > Ents > dwarves/hobbits > men.

Elves taught the Ents, sure. But the Ents got it right.

Treebeard was a poet, GaladrielThranduil is a worthless pile of fetid dingo kidneys.