The collective disdain for the Hobbit Trilogy got me thinking about The Godfather III. If you look at it as a stand alone movie, it was brilliant. If you look at it in conjunction with the first two, it was meh. I think that's how the Hobbit Trilogy is being looked at. It's not that movies are great, it's that Peter Jackson set the bar so high, there was no way he could top it. The same goes for Christopher Nolan after TDK.
You know who has awesome Elves? Elder Scrolls. Those guys aren't afraid to be open with their elitist, racist, xenophobic, prejudiced, taller-than-thou genocide. I for one admire their candor.
Originally posted by psmith81992True. They're gonna draw comparison, and justly so. The Hobbit is a good film series, a "meh" LotR-style series, and a poor adaptation. Depends what you care most about.
The collective disdain for the Hobbit Trilogy got me thinking about The Godfather III. If you look at it as a stand alone movie, it was brilliant. If you look at it in conjunction with the first two, it was meh. I think that's how the Hobbit Trilogy is being looked at. It's not that movies are great, it's that Peter Jackson set the bar so high, there was no way he could top it. The same goes for Christopher Nolan after TDK.
This is why I don't like reading a novel before I've seen the movie/TV show: I just know I won't like it as much if I do. Plenty of people I know haven't read the Potter books but loved the movies. I read them first and thought the movies were forgettable tripe.
Originally posted by Zampanó
Well to be fair, the potter movies were forgettable tripe. Fun to watch, but nothing like the cultural phenomenon of the books.
Yet I don't understand how they did better than the LOTR trilogy, or how twilight did better, at least as far as box office numbers go. Neither of those are even remotely comparable to LOTR.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You know who has awesome Elves? Elder Scrolls. Those guys aren't afraid to be open with their elitist, racist, xenophobic, prejudiced, taller-than-thou genocide. I for one admire their candor.
I rather like the Poison Elves elves. Elven superiority takes a rather... heavy hit, when it comes to the main character Lusipher ^^
Originally posted by truejedi
The problem I see coming is where does the line between gay rights and religious rights get drawn? That is a debate that is coming..
Originally posted by Nephthys
What would be your solution? Because I agree with you here too. But how do we solve the problem? Perhaps legalise gay marriage, but leave it up to the minister whether he wants to perform it?
Fun fact: Ministers are not legally required to perform marriages, period. They can pick and chose whoever they want.
If the place is open for public rental, then even if a gay couple wants to use it, they'll still need to snag a willing priest if they want a religious ceremony.
And let's not forget the number of churches who are pro gay marriage, want to perform them, and are blocked.
The 'doesn't gay marriage infringe on religious freedom?' is a non-starter as an argument, since all you need to do to be free is keep things exactly the way they are.
People try and use religious freedom as an argument when really they're just trying to snow others with misinformation to prevent people from enacting freedom over something that in no way infringes on their own.
Merry Xmas.
Nemebro, I accept your pre-holiday concession and hope that you change your mind when you read about flawed, warring, kinslaying, and sometimes broken or corrupted elves in The Silmarillion. Melkor makes Sauron look like a Newbie Dungeon boss in comparison. It is probably the darkest work with the least clean cut morality among protagonists in the mythos.
Slightly related, I rather enjoyed darker, racist Legolas over trilogy Legolas. The contacts were rather jarring though.
Moose, is this you??? (Hbomberguy)
Originally posted by Stealth MooseI accept your apology.
Merry Xmas.Nemebro, I am too much of a pussy to admit I made a mistake so will continue being condescending to save face, and I like to be bent over the sink and pounded like a cheap whore by Great Danes. I love the feel of a thick, pulsating knot in my rectum, it makes me mewl and whine like a dying walrus. I am sorry for being a stupid prostitute.
Slightly related, I rather enjoyed darker, racist Legolas over trilogy Legolas. The contacts were rather jarring though.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Can't view, not a member.Also, I would never use a username that ridiculous. It's against my programming.
He's basically saying everything you do about why Jedi are the real badguys and the Sith are just misunderstood dudes brainwashed to be evil:
"We didn't say they are 'the real' bad guys. That's not the argument here. You are arguing with a point of view that does not exist. I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here.
"The Jedi do some pretty awful shit that doesn't abide by their own supposed order."
"The Sith are more evil!"
"Yes, but the Jedi do some pretty awful shit that doesn't abide by their own supposed order"
"The Sith are more evil!"
"Yes, but-"
Repeat ad nauseum.
The discussion goes deeper than who is the worst guy, this isn't some kind of pass-the-parcel blame game. Why is Palpatine evil? Why are the Sith evil? Why are the Sith so intent on 'revenge' upon the Jedi? The problems with their order go pretty deep and concern a lot of their ideological assumptions of themselves, the senate, the republic, the sith, outsiders, and so on. These are interesting things to talk about EVEN IF the Sith have a higher literal body count. We, as the viewer, are situated in the role of an onlooker to the Jedi far more than we are the Sith. No matter how you look at it, the Jedi fail to protect the Republic. How? Why? These questions have more subtle answers than 'their minds were clouded, magic did it, Sith are more evil THEREFORE NOTHING WRONG HERE' "
1. I never ever said the Jedi were the real bad guys and the Sith are just misunderstood.
2. His stance isn't some kind of abomination. Hell, I've read similar things in this book using real life philosphies to compare and contrast the Sith and Jedi and expose their contradictions.
3. Thinking outside of the box shouldn't be viewed as heresy.