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Why did the rich as **** Jedi Council not deliver Anakin's mother from slavery despite it being beneficial to his health? "Credits have no use here lol".

The Jedi, as resourceful as they are, cannot help everyone, and they teach their members not to have attachments, so why would they choose to, rather than be fully impartial, specifically help Anakin's mother when all it does is honour Anakin's attachment to her? You can say it would have helped ease Anakin's mind and eliminate the possibility of future turmoil, but at the same time you could argue it would be doing a disservice to him, as it would effectively be giving him a shortcut in his training, when he's supposed to learn to let go of his former life and his prior attachments, regardless of the circumstances, and not by skipping valuable parts of that process.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
The Jedi, as resourceful as they are, cannot help everyone, and they teach their members not to have attachments, so why would they choose to, rather than be fully impartial, specifically help Anakin's mother when all it does is honour Anakin's attachment to her? You can say it would have helped ease Anakin's mind and eliminate the possibility of future turmoil, but at the same time you could argue it would be doing a disservice to him, as it would effectively be giving him a shortcut in his training, when he's supposed to learn to let go of his former life and his prior attachments, regardless of the circumstances, and not by skipping valuable parts of that process.

Letting go of former attachments and dooming someone to a life of servitude isn't the same thing. They could have easily procured funds to buy her a nice cottage somewhere safe and she could have supported herself. Even if she was not in contact with Anakin, he could rest easy knowing she wasn't being objectified.

And it's not like the Jedi haven't used money to procure ships, supplies, and pay even bribes when settling diplomacy.

Attachment isn't just about being in contact with the person, it's any form of personal investment in them and doing anything to honour Anakin's feelings towards his mother, arguably sends the wrong message right from the beginning and could be considered counter productive in his training. You could also argue that the tougher lessons once learned are often those most well remembered, so learning to let go of attachments in the face of such unease would arguably ultimately prove to be more effective in the long run, and for what it's worth we're given every indication that they weren't treated particularly harshly by Watto and it may just be that the life of a slave, being all that Anakin knew, wasn't something he would view as being such a terrible thing. I'd imagine the hardship he faced over having to leave his mother far outweighed any feelings he had about her remaining a slave, and would have been by far the biggest hurdle in learning to let go of attachments.

The idea is that the Jedi are fully impartial when helping people, as far as personal relationships go, not that they wouldn't resort to such methods or use their vast resources when the need arises.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he has serious mental instability.

Cop-out answer that is mostly only supported by the novelization, not the movie.

Plus he was actually closer to Palpatine than to Obi-Wan.

lol, orly? We don't see that in the movies.

He had tons of resentment towards his mentor who kept holding him back,

Aka he was oddly whiny for a grown man.

while Palps always fed his ego. Lastly ~I think he never actually trusted Sidious after his reveal, he was simply doing whatever he said to save Padme.

This reminds me:

"Yoda, I have dreams where people I care about die how do I stop this. D:"
"F*CK your dreams NIGGA! And F*CK the people you care about!"

Good job Yoda. 👆 For someone so wise, he sure is a stupid panty-waist.

Probably cuz Anakins a douche and needed reigning in.

We see how well that worked out.

He truly is as "wise as Master Yoda", lol. Not a compliment.

They are full of stupid. I guess that just shows how out of touch the Jedi were.

Which was not the point of the movie but hey, dat Lucas writing.

In what way? Batman is basically perfect in every respect other than his shitty personality and jerkishness. He gets away with it though cuz tons of people are superior to him in power, intellect etc so he doesn't seem as over the top as he actually is. Everyones over the top in comics.

A. Not richer than anyone on the planet.

B. Not everyone falls for him.

C. He rejects them because he's too mentally traumatized and ****ed up to be with them.

D. Batman is not more competent than his superhuman friends. Batman has to tax himself to keep order in one city. Superman regularly saves the world, and even the universe and beyond.

E. His friends are not "unshakably loyal", they have had srs bsns problems with them many times. Dick Grayson is one of the more well-known cases of someone getting fed up with Bruce's shit.

F. He's been in the wrong many times.

G. Mostly, it sort of skims how mentally off-balance and outright insane he is often portrayed as, such as in the works of Grant Morrison or Frank Miller (Pre-Crisis Miller).

There's also the precedent involved, I think. Should the Jedi spend money (and time) to improve the lives of every not-well-off family they recruit a youngling from? What if the problems said family have can't be fixed with money? At what point is there simply too much meddling?

edit- Considering this discussion started off as "which universe do you prefer", falling back on "movies only!" is pretty whack.

I'm comparing the original source material.

Star Wars has an entire team of people that apparently try to justify Lucas' stupidity within the movies.

But point taken, I would be lost without you.

Oh well, LotR and its associated works are still by and large of far superior quality to anything that has ever had the Star Wars logo slapped onto it. 👆

The only argument that could be made in SW's favor is that loser fat ****s like yourself like it because it's so malleable and is welcoming toward escapism faggotry and shit.

M-muh fanfiction...

Originally posted by NemeBro
Cop-out answer that is mostly only supported by the novelization, not the movie.

Complains about cop-out answer.

Cops-out of including EU material.

Lol. And even in the movies Anakin was obviously ****ed up, committing massacres and going on meglomaniacal rants in AotC, murdering an unarmed dude in RotS and being generally an unstable time-bomb.

Originally posted by NemeBro
lol, orly? We don't see that in the movies.

We see them broing it up a bit, Palpatine mentions he's keeping an eye out for him and is very warm. Meanwhile Anakin openly rants about how much he hates and resents Obi-Wan at least twice as I recall and is generally frustrated with him 4ever.

Also, EU.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Aka he was oddly whiny for a grown man.

Perhaps because he was mentally unstable?

Originally posted by NemeBro
This reminds me:

"Yoda, I have dreams where people I care about die how do I stop this. D:"
"F*CK your dreams NIGGA! And F*CK the people you care about!"

Good job Yoda. 👆 For someone so wise, he sure is a stupid panty-waist.

Yoda's advice was exactly what a Jedi should be doing. Its not his failing so much as Anakins for being unable to let go. Of course, yeah Yoda should have realised Anakin wasn't buying into the non-attachment thing, lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
We see how well that worked out.

He truly is as "wise as Master Yoda", lol. Not a compliment.

Hey, its not his fault that Anakin was constantly doing stupid, arrogant things and not acting like a Jedi is supposed to at all, nearly all the time.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Which was not the point of the movie but hey, dat Lucas writing.

Yeah, Lucas sucks.

Originally posted by NemeBro
A. Not richer than anyone on the planet.

B. Not everyone falls for him.

C. He rejects them because he's too mentally traumatized and ****ed up to be with them.

D. Batman is not more competent than his superhuman friends. Batman has to tax himself to keep order in one city. Superman regularly saves the world, and even the universe and beyond.

E. His friends are not "unshakably loyal", they have had srs bsns problems with them many times. Dick Grayson is one of the more well-known cases of someone getting fed up with Bruce's shit.

F. He's been in the wrong many times.

G. Mostly, it sort of skims how mentally off-balance and outright insane he is often portrayed as, such as in the works of Grant Morrison or Frank Miller (Pre-Crisis Miller).

A. He's at the top.

B. I can't really think about a girl who hasn't expressed interest in him thats a part of his regular line-up and not jailbait. Catwoman, Ivy, Harley, Talia, Batgirl etc.

C. Thats basically what the guy said.

D. Sure, because Superman operates at a higher power-level than him. In terms of actual competence though, Batman is generally the top dawg.

E. Meh.

F. Meh.

G. Well obviously. Its a generalisation. Thats the point. Its eliminating Bruce's actual character traits to make him seem like a Sue to make a point about how annoying it is when people do that to female characters.

https://fansflock.com/fan-card/dark-resurrection-vol2/

Shit already looks better than anything Lucas has produced.

Link r broke.

W-works for me.

Same.

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I've explained, no-one is 'victimised' by murder, except murder victims and their families.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd beat and then rape Marin Karin with a hose. I was fine with using autobattle for everyone but Mizuru.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Women tend to be less inclined to violence and confrontation than men. There are far less female serial killers, rapists and murderers for a reason. Frankly, men suck ass imo. I just doubt the worlds history would be as soaked in blood, war and rape if women were in charge.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You can try to make as many logical arguments as you want but none of them have the slightest amount of relevence. This isn't about logic, it's about emotion.

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Rumors. But. haermm

So Morgoth, as of the time he fought Fingolfin, was apparently still the mightiest being in all of Arda.

Nah, I'm not sure what passage you are actually referring too but, according to Tolkien, when Tulkas captured Morgoth way back when, Manwe was more powerful, "(Melkor) has now less personal force than Manwe" and is "on a power-level with the Valar." I'd assume it just to Tolkien's typical flowery language and that it means he was once the mightiest rather than currently Morgoth is still the most powerful.

"That was the last time in those wars that he passed the doors of his stronghold, and it is said that he took not the challenge willingly; for though his might was greatest of all things in this world, alone of the Valar he knew fear."

From the Silmarillion proper, the passage where Fingolfin manfights Morgoth. Where is your quote from?

Morgoth's Ring. More specifically it's from an essay that Tolkien wrote.

Tolkien contradicted himself. / shrugs

I like how Sauron made Luthien "swoon" with just his force of presence, that was great, lol.

Ftr, I fully intend to recommence crushing Kurupt Thanosi, I just decided to finish the Silmarillion before continuing.