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Beefy, my issue with your perspective on bullying is that you admit you had a very strong support network to manage the effects of bullying. To say nothing of the fact that you may simply not have endured bullying of the magnitude that leads some to tragically take their own lives in despair.

I mean, yeah, bullying isn't going anywhere anytime soon and I do agree that a society that attempts to clumsily coddle everyone isn't doing its citizens any favors when the world lashes out, but bullying does have very real and tragic consequences that shouldn't be simply brushed aside with machismo.

Beefy, my issue with your perspective on bullying is that you admit you had a very strong support network to manage the effects of bullying. To say nothing of the fact that you may simply not have endured bullying of the magnitude that leads some to tragically take their own lives in despair.

but bullying does have very real and tragic consequences that shouldn't be simply brushed aside with machismo

All I know is that I was the bully in school and college was one of the rudest awakenings I had. Turns out, one of the guys I ostracized and tormented the most turned out to be one of the best friends I've ever had. Hindsight being what it is, I'm pretty much deeply ashamed over how I treated a lot of people way back when.

I was fortunate that none of my "victims" have killed themselves (yet) and, while I still pick on people, I'm usually pretty quick to address any potential offense.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Bullying people for being gay is dumb.

Now bullying people for being lying, manipulative whores who betray you in the most excruciating ways imaginable... [rant]

I know you don't want to hear this but get over yourself. A girl isn't a lying whore for not wanting to go out with you. I may be your friend but I'll still call you out on that shit. This is not an acceptable response.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
All I know is that I was the bully in school and college was one of the rudest awakenings I had. Turns out, one of the guys I ostracized and tormented the most turned out to be one of the best friends I've ever had. Hindsight being what it is, I'm pretty much deeply ashamed over how I treated a lot of people way back when.

I was fortunate that none of my "victims" have killed themselves (yet) and, while I still pick on people, I'm usually pretty quick to address any potential offense.

This is really cool though. Its big of you to recognise this about yourself.

Originally posted by psmith81992
What's an extended period of time?

Enough that its someone actually targeting you as opposed to you just having an argument.

Originally posted by psmith81992
That's retarded. So if someone insulted someone else let's say 3-4 times, and the person committed suicide, it's bullying? But if they didn't, then it was just what, playful banter?

No-one is driven to suicide by 3-4 insults. Don't diminish the issue by suggesting that's in any way a realistic scenario. If that did happen then it would clearly be as a result of something else or a much more wide-spread form of abuse or isolation.

Whether they ****ing commit suicide or not is irrelevant. The bullies actions are the same either way. Suicide is just an example of how serious it can get.

Originally posted by psmith81992
No it's very relevant because you apparently believe EVERY life is precious, whereas I do not.

Unless you think this in regards to victims of bullying or homosexuals, its irrelevant to this topic.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Bullshit. People ARE driven to suicide by mean words, and that is where I have a hard time sympathizing. When a suicide occurs because of harsh words. Obviously when it's cyberbullying or other serious forms, it's a completely different matter.

They aren't just mean words. Verbal and emotional abuse is still abuse. The results of bullying aren't what that idiotic article wrote out. Its not some great thing that makes you better as a person. Bullying destroys your self-worth, makes you feel isolated and afraid and can lead to serious depression or feelings of hopelessness.

As I said, sometimes its harmless. Sometimes it isn't.

I'd like you to answer my question though: Why shouldn't we try to fight bullying?

Originally posted by Nephthys
I know you don't want to hear this but get over yourself. A girl isn't a lying whore for not wanting to go out with you. I may be your friend but I'll still call you out on that shit. This is not an acceptable response.

Nah, a girl is a whore for lying to me, leading me on, and betraying me.

No she isn't. Unless a girl is actually a prostitute, she isn't a whore. That kind of gendered insult is not cool at all.

Your defense is misplaced. Not to mention flat-out wrong, considering the abundance of sexual activities that went on between us while she was doing the aforementioned lying, leading on, and betraying.

She's a whore, no two ways about it.

Yeah and I'm sure shes a awful person. But try to cut back on the misogyny. Shes not a whore just because sex is involved. I'm not defending her obviously, I'm saying that you need to tone it down.

You just like whores, bro.

Yes, I do. But unlike some people I only refer to men by that word.

Look at me. Learn from me. Live like me.

Enough that its someone actually targeting you as opposed to you just having an argument.

No-one is driven to suicide by 3-4 insults. Don't diminish the issue by suggesting that's in any way a realistic scenario. If that did happen then it would clearly be as a result of something else or a much more wide-spread form of abuse or isolation.

Whether they ****ing commit suicide or not is irrelevant. The bullies actions are the same either way. Suicide is just an example of how serious it can get.

They aren't just mean words. Verbal and emotional abuse is still abuse. The results of bullying aren't what that idiotic article wrote out. Its not some great thing that makes you better as a person. Bullying destroys your self-worth, makes you feel isolated and afraid and can lead to serious depression or feelings of hopelessness.

I'd like you to answer my question though: Why shouldn't we try to fight bullying?

Who would make a better world ruler? Neph or Beefy.

Discuss!

It would be me!!! Let me be chosen!!!!

Holy shit, you're alive.

Let's put it this way, between the Assassins and Templars, I sided with the Templars (although it was VERY close).

You can try but it'll end up like the other few things society has overblown. You don't agree with homosexuality? You're a bigot! You don't like Obama? You're racist! You support the death penalty? You're a murderer! You insulted someone? You're a bully!

Framing a debate in rhetorical terms doesn't mean that both sides are equally valid.

(I hope my late night rant was helpful, Dave!)

I want to be completely awake to answer your rant so I plan on getting to it. And yes you're right, it doesn't validate or invalidate anything. To me, the only constant is the comically overly sensitive society we're living in now.

I am back ahoy. And I have having some lady problems, if anyone could help me work out if I'm taking the right stance in dealing with this.

Strike her down with all of your anger. Smote her ruin upon the mountainside.

So very tempting, I won't lie.