Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'll reserve judgment. But the truth is, I'm slightly underwhelmed by Rebels and VII.They shoulda made a KotOR movie.
*Shocked*
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ah right, he fits the role perfect then. Probably playing Luke and Leia's kid.
I hope he's super nice and talented, because he is ugly as all sin.
Or maybe he'll play an alien.
Originally posted by psmith81992
http://www.app.com/article/20140225/NJNEWS14/302250068/Lakewood-Ponzi-schemer-Eliyahu-Weinstein-gets-22-years-jail?gcheck=1As&nclick_check=1
All I could make out is Ponzi Scheme. Did they finally arrest Adam Sandler?:
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hey, KotOR's great. Pays homage to the films without disrespecting them and creates an interesting mythology of its own. KotOR is the EU done right.
I don't recall you holding this opinion before, hence the shock.
Originally posted by Nephthys
All I could make out is Ponzi Scheme. Did they finally arrest Adam Sandler?:
He should be tried for crimes against humanity because of Grown Ups 2.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Stupid ****ers.
I don't get how you can correctly host an image tag, but a URL ****ing baffles you.
Also, why is this news?
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I don't recall you holding this opinion before, hence the shock.
That's 'cuz you're stupid and lame.
KotOR pays homage to film elements. You see Vader in Malak, Tarkin in Karath, Anakin/Luke/Thrawn in "Revan," etc. The Star Forge is an expy of the Death Star, the Ebon Hawk conjures the Millennium Falcon, the Sith evoke the Galactic Empire, etc. and so forth. There's an epic twist a la The Empire Strikes Back and the final confrontation between Hero and Big Bad is a personal test of wills a la Return of the Jedi.
And yet the Star Forge is unique in function compared to the Death Star; superior in some respects tactically without undermining what made the Death Star special: its overwhelming firepower. Malak dies without redemption (sorta), unlike Vader, preserving Vader's unique fate. Revan's awesomeness owes much to Word of Mouth; in reality he's nowhere near as Stuish as described (Malak outwitted him and the Jedi strike team bested him, he was a tool of the Council's). He saves the day but doesn't "balance the Force" or fulfill some sort of cosmic destiny. The epic twist isn't derivative of Luke's parentage.
Basically, it's all the cool things about the OT but the writers were respectful enough to add their own take on it without being shameless. That, son, is the EU done right.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's 'cuz you're stupid and lame.KotOR pays homage to film elements. You see Vader in Malak, Tarkin in Karath, Anakin/Luke/Thrawn in "Revan," etc. The Star Forge is an expy of the Death Star, the Ebon Hawk conjures the Millennium Falcon, the Sith evoke the Galactic Empire, etc. and so forth. There's an epic twist a la The Empire Strikes Back and the final confrontation between Hero and Big Bad is a personal test of wills a la Return of the Jedi.
And yet the Star Forge is unique in function compared to the Death Star; superior in some respects tactically without undermining what made the Death Star special: its overwhelming firepower. Malak dies without redemption (sorta), unlike Vader, preserving Vader's unique fate. Revan's awesomeness owes much to Word of Mouth; in reality he's nowhere near as Stuish as described (Malak outwitted him and the Jedi strike team bested him, he was a tool of the Council's). He saves the day but doesn't "balance the Force" or fulfill some sort of cosmic destiny. The epic twist isn't derivative of Luke's parentage.
Basically, it's all the cool things about the OT but the writers were respectful enough to add their own take on it without being shameless. That, son, is the EU done right.
Personally, I think EU is best done right when it's original. I also don't see how you can say TOR is a shameless low-grade copy of the PT/OT, but KotOR, with much less content, characters and so on, is a well done piece of EU work.
I get that it's subjective, but that just seems to bizarre to me.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Personally, I think EU is best done right when it's original. I also don't see how you can say TOR is a shameless low-grade copy of the PT/OT, but KotOR, with much less content, characters and so on, is a well done piece of EU work.
Well, outright originality is in short supply these days, but works like Knight Errant and The New Jedi Order rank up there for me due to their departure from the films.
I already conceded that TOR's myriad lesser stories might have an abundance of originality to them. My problem comes from its overarching story about Palpatine 2.0 and the Not-Quite-Galactic Empire.
Stealth Moose
I get that it's subjective, but that just seems to bizarre to me.
Well, again, there's no denying that Vitiate is based heavily on Palpatine and, to a much lesser extent, Nihilus. Like you, I prefer something at least quasi-original.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well, outright originality is in short supply these days, but works like Knight Errant and The New Jedi Order rank up there for me due to their departure from the films.I already conceded that TOR's myriad lesser stories might have an abundance of originality to them. My problem comes from its overarching story about Palpatine 2.0 and the Not-Quite-Galactic Empire.
... Which you haven't played in full.
Well, again, there's no denying thatVitiateObi-Wan Kenobi is based heavily onPalpatineGeneral Makabe Rokuruta and, to a much lesser extent,NihilusToshiro Mifune. Like you, I prefer something at least quasi-original.
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Creation does not always happen in a vacuum, but your criticism seems really shallow, given that someone could take 'great' characters such as Revan, Malak, Mission, Obi-Wan, etc. etc. and make similar accusations.
I'm not saying your wrong for having your opinion, but this all seems odd given that TOR is closer to KotOR than any other Star Wars work, and is a spiritual successor, and you're deriding it for perceived similarities while ignoring large swaths of story and nuance.
IIRC, you didn't even play past 5 hrs.