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Originally posted by NemeBro
Your post hinges on the assumption that whatever occurs or does not occur after death is preferable to the trauma of being raped.

Prove this.

It does, but it's a well founded one. He's using Occam's razor, which is acceptable.

Originally posted by The Renegade
It does, but it's a well founded one. He's using Occam's razor, which is acceptable.

👆

Originally posted by The Renegade
It does, but it's a well founded one. He's using Occam's razor, which is acceptable.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Either you don't know what Occam's razor is or you and I have different beliefs of how bad the "simplest" explanation of afterdeath is.

Out of curiosity what do you think is the most probable explanation of afterdeath?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Either you don't know what Occam's razor is or you and I have different beliefs of how bad the "simplest" explanation of afterdeath is.

Great response, but it's empty. It's not a "You and I" thing, really. Regardless of what your beliefs are, the remission of consciousness and biological function being the final portion of life, and merely that, is the explanation with the fewest assumptions.

Try harder or don't bother responding.

Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Out of curiosity what do you think is the most probable explanation of afterdeath?

Originally posted by The Renegade
Great response, but it's empty. It's not a "You and I" thing, really. Regardless of what your beliefs are, the remission of consciousness and biological function being the final portion of life, and merely that, is the explanation with the fewest assumptions.

Try harder or don't bother responding.

Good point, I agree wholeheartedly. That's why murder is at least 20% worse. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
So what you're saying is that we can not know what awaits us after death?

Good point, I agree wholeheartedly. That's why murder is at least 20% worse. 👆

Yes, I did. After seeing your response to Astor, I'm starting to think you made a mistake when you responded to me initially. If so, no hard feelings. I only thought you genuine disagreed, which is why I put the gloves on.

*Genuinely. Jesus.

Yeah, yeah. I double posted. Sue me.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So what you're saying is that we can not know what awaits us after death?

Good point, I agree wholeheartedly. That's why murder is at least 20% worse. 👆

For all you know, 77 virgins could be there to give you a blowjob and a cup of warm milk. Unless you have strong evidence to assert otherwise, I don't see your point.

"BUT WUT IF UR WRONG; DEN ITS WORZ" isn't a defensible position.

And for all you know, there's 77 fat guys there to make me eat the cheese off of their underboobs.

The unknown nature of death is what makes it worse. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
And for all you know, there's 77 fat guys there to make me eat the cheese off of their underboobs.

The unknown nature of death is what makes it worse. 👆

You're just afraid of underboob cheese more than rape.

I'm gonna hurl.

Benetar has an interesting article that says that bringing any person into existence (via birth or whatever) is morally problematic because you are imposing on them the surety of at least one significant harm: death.

Pat Benetar?

Originally posted by Zampanó
Benetar has an interesting article that says that bringing any person into existence (via birth or whatever) is morally problematic because you are imposing on them the surety of at least one significant harm: death.

This article sounds interesting but relies on the presumption that death is, in fact, harmful.

Well it's harmful to your brain. That still counts, right?

Nope, the idea is not that death is a harm but rather the experience of dying. There is often pain associated with it, and anxiety or apprehension leading up to it.

Additionally, David Benetar examines the fact that while "the presence of pain is bad and the presence of pleasure is good" the same symmetry does not seem to hold for the absence of pain and pleasure. To wit: "the absence of pain is good, even if that good is not enjoyed by anyone whereas the absence of pleasure is not bad unless there is someone for whom this absence is a deprivation."

It's a cool article, but I'm not 100% sure I'm allowed to reproduce it. You can probably find it on JSTOR under "Why it is better never to come into existence David Benetar"

Originally posted by Zampanó
Benetar has an interesting article that says that bringing any person into existence (via birth or whatever) is morally problematic because you are imposing on them the surety of at least one significant harm: death.

So by that definition, the existence of humanity is morally problematic.

Originally posted by Zampanó
Nope, the idea is not that death is a harm but rather the experience of dying. There is often pain associated with it, and anxiety or apprehension leading up to it.

Additionally, David Benetar examines the fact that while "the presence of pain is bad and the presence of pleasure is good" the same symmetry does not seem to hold for the absence of pain and pleasure. To wit: "the absence of pain is good, even if that good is not enjoyed by anyone whereas the absence of pleasure is not bad unless there is someone for whom this absence is a deprivation."

It's a cool article, but I'm not 100% sure I'm allowed to reproduce it. You can probably find it on JSTOR under "Why it is better never to come into existence David Benetar"

Found it. 😄

Looks interesting, might check it out later but I really need to get this essay that I'm already 3 days late for done (that I haven't even started).

Already know that I'm going to ultimately disagree with his viewpoint however.