The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by DarthAnt663,287 pages

It's not canon but not non-canon. It's in the middle.

Uh, what? They mean the exact same thing.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's not canon but not non-canon. It's in the middle.

You can call the old EU by L-Canon if you like, but it will no longer be part of official Star Wars Canon.

In fact it hasn't been for a while. If you go to the official Star Wars site, there's no part of it referring to the EU anymore. Only the films and animations. It's been like that for a few years now.

Isn't the EU already pretty much considered a separate, non-canon entity compared to the movies? This doesn't need to change much, we can still consider the EU canon in this forum.

It would be harder with the post-RotJ stuff, but who gives a shit about that tripe anyway?

No. EU was considered canon by LucasFilm.

It was canon, but still mostly kept at arms length, with them having no problem contradicting it for no reason.

I mean, in the rules here it states that the film section doesn't even consider the EU to exist.

True. But that's still a big step up from being glorified "fan-fiction", which is really all it is now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Isn't the EU already pretty much considered a separate, non-canon entity compared to the movies?

It has always been seen that way by Lucas, but Lucasfilm always accepted it officially but just with a lower canon rating. But the old EU stuff is no longer considered official canon by anyone at Lucasfilm.

And tbh I'm going to prefer the EU this way. From now on it will be Canon, or Not Canon. I hated all the G-Canon, C-Canon crap, where G-Canon was just shitting over C-Canon all the time anyway.

Nephthys
I say we continue as if nothings changed.

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You know how a word stops sounding right when you say it over and over? Well that will never happen to canon.

Originally posted by ares834
No. EU was considered canon by LucasFilm.

Blame Leland Chee. GL explicitly always said EU was a separate continuity; this just cements that declaration entirely as gospel.

Overall, I am fine with the absence of more hierarchy clutter. What I see as a potential issue is here, in our threads, debating using non-Legends media like the films proper or newer content. To avoid that kind of problem, I recommend heavily that we adopt the novelizations as Legend canon for the sake of debates. This removes issues due to live film changes, allows for more fluidity, and removes the already nebulous authenticity of novelisation movie descriptions.

You c*nts made a separate thread for the canon debate? We could just discuss it here.

I've been separated from the Star Wars universe for some time now (years) so what does this change, exactly? Anyone have any useful information regarding these canon alterations?

Originally posted by The Renegade
You c*nts made a separate thread for the canon debate? We could just discuss it here.

I've been separated from the Star Wars universe for some time now (years) so what does this change, exactly? Anyone have any useful information regarding these canon alterations?

Basically, old EU = Legends or L-canon.

Films, TCW, Rebels, and other new shit is Pure Canon/Main Canon/Legit Canon, whatever.

Effectively, they are two continuities now.

What the sh*t? Wow, so G.A.O.T.S. and all of that isn't considered the "main" canon? I can imagine the debates about whether or not that makes the "secondary" continuity canon or not.

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Oh Japan..........

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Are the TCW comics canon?

As we firs started discussing some years back when the new films were announced, I'll have to alter the canon rules around here- I was kinda waiting for something like this to make it official. Problem is, it doesn't work well unless accompanied by a forum revamp that needs Raz around. As it will no longer be a case of films vs. everything else but instead legends vs. non-legends, this area would really become a books, comics and games section rather than an EU one, with its own notes about which bits of it are canon or not.

Though in all honesty with the situation becoming as clear as this, there's no real need for a canon 'policy' at all. It'll just be a common sense thing that certain things won't count in the continuity of others.

^ I'm guessing most people here would still be holding discussions under the "Legends" banner until there's a lot more Newer Disney EU content. Because for now official canon is just the 6 films and the Clone Wars series if I understand correctly.

Yes indeedy.

It should be as simple now as defining Legends versus non etc. No different than say, Marvel film continuity versus comic. IMO, novelisations ought to join Legends since they are already part EU as it is.