im in ur test, bein ultra liberalz.
Also, I voted yes for death penalty and think that punishment is better than rehabilitation for some offenders.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseYou're shitting me.i guess I vote for homo crap and you vote for death. Awesome tradeoff.
im in ur test, bein ultra liberalz.Also, I voted yes for death penalty and think that punishment is better than rehabilitation for some offenders.
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That's what I got.
Originally posted by psmith81992
You're shitting me.i guess I vote for homo crap and you vote for death. Awesome tradeoff.
Nope. I was so passionate in debating it, I think I made Fishy stop coming to EoD.
Originally posted by The Renegade
Eww. Really?
Not for mundane crimes, but the truly bad ones - like child murderers, torturers, etc. The ones who create the most heinous of crimes... they can't be 'rehabilitated', and letting them live for 15 years on everyone else's dime is a waste of resources they aren't contributing to on a meaningful level. Get a chair and some rope.
I don't mess around when it comes to certain vicious criminals.
Also, you dissed Famke Jenssen, so suck it.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nope. I was so passionate in debating it, I think I made Fishy stop coming to EoD.Not for mundane crimes, but the truly bad ones - like child murderers, torturers, etc. The ones who create the most heinous of crimes... they can't be 'rehabilitated', and letting them live for 15 years on everyone else's dime is a waste of resources they aren't contributing to on a meaningful level. Get a chair and some rope.
I don't mess around when it comes to certain vicious criminals.
Also, you dissed Famke Jenssen, so suck it.
Certain crimes? I would have thought 1st degree murder or capital murder were enough. It's not about "can" they be rehabilitated. I'm not interested in rehabilitating murderers.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nope. I was so passionate in debating it, I think I made Fishy stop coming to EoD.
Goddamn, Fishy? That is a name I've not heard in a long time.
Not for mundane crimes, but the truly bad ones - like child murderers, torturers, etc. The ones who create the most heinous of crimes... they can't be 'rehabilitated', and letting them live for 15 years on everyone else's dime is a waste of resources they aren't contributing to on a meaningful level. Get a chair and some rope.
I don't agree that they cannot be rehabilitated so we'd have a fundamental disagreement right off of the bat.
Also, utilizing resources isn't problematic for me. I'd much rather spend tax dollars funding their imprisonment rather than contributing money to murder. (It's also more expensive to kill than to imprison a convict.)
Also, the error rate is a little too high for my liking, especially considering I'm of the opinion that if one innocent is killed, the entire system is dysfunctional.
Also, you dissed Famke Jenssen, so suck it.
You STILL misspelled it. I'm honestly starting to think you dislike her more than I do.
I share the opinion of executing people who are deemed unable to be rehabilitated, in fact I prefer executions to life in prison on a conceptual level (but not on a practical level, as realistically executions are costlier than life imprisonment and they take ****ing forever to do due to all the appeals and shit), however that's partially because I see life-sentences as being a form of torture, and don't believe in punishment for its own sake. The point of prison is to rehabilitate criminals so that they can function in society, and to keep them away from society if doing that is impossible.
If it's been determined that the criminal is unable to be reformed, then punishing them serves no purpose. It doesn't accomplish anything.
however that's partially because I see life-sentances as being a form of torture
And I figure you'd support the death penalty unequivocally if the process took 1 year instead of 10-20.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I share the opinion of executing people who are deemed unable to be rehabilitated, in fact I prefer executions to life in prison on a conceptual level (but not on a practical level, as realistically executions are costlier than life imprisonment and they take ****ing forever to do due to all the appeals and shit), however that's partially because I see life-sentences as being a form of torture, and don't believe in punishment for its own sake. The point of prison is to rehabilitate criminals so that they can function in society, and to keep them away from society if doing that is impossible.If it's been determined that the criminal is unable to be reformed, then punishing them serves no purpose. It doesn't accomplish anything.
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Originally posted by Tzeentch
I share the opinion of executing people who are deemed unable to be rehabilitated, in fact I prefer executions to life in prison on a conceptual level (but not on a practical level, as realistically executions are costlier than life imprisonment and they take ****ing forever to do due to all the appeals and shit), however that's partially because I see life-sentences as being a form of torture, and don't believe in punishment for its own sake. The point of prison is to rehabilitate criminals so that they can function in society, and to keep them away from society if doing that is impossible.If it's been determined that the criminal is unable to be reformed, then punishing them serves no purpose. It doesn't accomplish anything.
I don't see it as torture as much as it is punishment, which is reasonably acceptable for committing a crime.
Why wouldn't it accomplish anything? If the system has failed to reform him, I do not see how the next logical step is death. Also, prison rehabilitating criminals is not the sole reason prison exists. It also exists so that criminals cannot operate in free society, whether they can be rehabilitated or not.
Human beings should not have the capacity or flexibility to decide whether or not someone should die, nor should any government.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Certain crimes? I would have thought 1st degree murder or capital murder were enough. It's not about "can" they be rehabilitated. I'm not interested in rehabilitating murderers.
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Some people don't deserve the possibility of rehabilitation. Their victims won't be getting a second chance so I don't see why they should.
Originally posted by Based
Does anyone have a quote or scan of whatever Palpatine said about Malgus?
"Malgus submitted utterly to the darkside and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated."