Originally posted by The RenegadeUnlike most I will have a debate judged in a battlezone type format probably alien to you.
Come on, Khanchi. You're a lost fanboy and you're certainly in no position to be patronizing anyone, particularly Nai.Give it a rest. Get past your ugly biases and be reasonable.
Tempest promised me someone who obviously doesn't exist. Nai backed down. As I previously stated I knew he wouldn't live up to the hype.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That is a theory you can't prove that also directly contradicts Star Wars films themselves. You can't change how the application of the telekinesis has been used throughout the films. I argue on what has happened not what your mind cooks up. That is the way of the fanboy.
Ah. I've already figured it out.
Since we just have seen people levitating stuff weighing tons around and throwing it at other people or pushing other people around with the force, another application of the power is impossible. "Absense of evidence is evidence of absense."
We call that an "argumentum ad ignorantiam" here, and it happens to be a logical fallacy. Then we just need a scene to discredit force lightning (e.g. "Return of the Jedi" where Sidious uses the technique on Luke) coupled with the same logical stunts and - et voilà - Khan wins.
As I said: I'm not interested in going through an elaborated debate, just to point out the errors in your reasoning. Or, to be more precise, I just did it before you even managed to start. Boring.
Originally posted by Nai
Ah. I've already figured it out.Since we just have seen people levitating stuff weighing tons around and throwing it at other people or pushing other people around with the force, another application of the power is impossible. "Absense of evidence is evidence of absense."
We call that an "argumentum ad ignorantiam" here, and it happens to be a logical fallacy. Then we just need a scene to discredit force lightning (e.g. "Return of the Jedi" where Sidious uses the technique on Luke) coupled with the same logical stunts and - et voilà - Khan wins.
As I said: I'm not interested in going through an elaborated debate, just to point out the errors in your reasoning. Or, to be more precise, I just did it before you even managed to start. Boring.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTa1vxmY3M
At 1:15 in we see Dooku use a force push to knock Obi-Wan back. Just a minor inconvenience. That is how they mainly work on each other. Knocking them backwards or into something.
1:32--1:38 we see him again force push him a greater distance away from himself. We then see at 1:41--1:43 Dooku use it on the platform to trap Obi to the ground. At no point do we see him repeatedly force push his bones to break because that isn't how it works. We have never seen a force push do anything other than knock someone back into an object or something. In the same scene we see him able to manipulate something that weighs far more than Obi yet unable to seriously injure Obi with force attacks on his person alone.
Exaggerating force attacks into a pattern we have never seen isn't debating it is cooking up feats based off a powerset while ignoring the characters themselves and how they operate.
Khan wins due to his superhuman healing factor/resiliency, superhuman marksman ship, superhuman strength, superhuman athleticism, and superior weaponry.
Force pushes will just knock him back and his cellular regeneration makes his recovery well super fast because you guessed correctly he's superhuman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FvTa1vxmY3MAt 1:15 in we see Dooku use a force push to knock Obi-Wan back. Just a minor inconvenience. That is how they mainly work on each other. Knocking them backwards or into something.
1:32--1:38 we see him again force push him a greater distance away from himself. We then see at 1:41--1:43 Dooku use it on the platform to trap Obi to the ground. At no point do we see him repeatedly force push his bones to break because that isn't how it works. We have never seen a force push do anything other than knock someone back into an object or something. In the same scene we see him able to manipulate something that weighs far more than Obi [B]yet unable to seriously injure Obi with force attacks on his person alone.
Exaggerating force attacks into a pattern we have never seen isn't debating it is cooking up feats based off a powerset while ignoring the characters themselves and how they operate.
I find it rather nice that, that, after I pointed out exactly why your reasoning is fallacious, you, as a comeback, use that exact faulty logic to try and make a point. Desperate or stupid?
Khan wins due to his superhuman healing factor/resiliency, superhuman marksman ship, superhuman strength, superhuman athleticism, and superior weaponry.
A Jedi could disarm him with a single gesture, and Khan could use his healing factor, resiliency and superhuman strength and athleticism to try a fist fight against a lightsaber wielding opponent.
Force pushes will just knock him back and his cellular regeneration makes his recovery well super fast because you guessed correctly he's superhuman.
And what would stop a Jedi / Sith from pinning him to a wall with telekinesis, walk up to him and cut him into pieces?
Originally posted by NemeBro
If anyone is stupid here, it's you.
Given your long running experience with "being stupid", I'll consider you an expert on the issue and, hence, bow to your opinion. But then, given your long running experience with "being stupid", I am forced to file that opinion under "more stupidity" to - consequentially - ignore it, am I not. I'm truely sorry.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I am so well pleased at the prospects that I even took Nai off ignore. excellent
I wonder what forced your hand to the ignore-button again, given my rather infrequent visitations to this place.
Originally posted by NaiContinue feeding the troll then my stupid little friend.
Given your long running experience with "being stupid", I'll consider you an expert on the issue and, hence, bow to your opinion. But then, given your long running experience with "being stupid", I am forced to file that opinion under "more stupidity" to - consequentially - ignore it, am I not. I'm truely sorry.