GIS wins again:
I'll be in my bunk.
(fake btw)
I've been listening to some Cher during workouts and she wasn't half bad in the 80s. Her and Peter Cetera rocked out to one of the classics.
Originally posted by psmith81992I don't know, bands like Nirvana and red hot chille peppers were coming out with some pretty good music in their early twenties and unlike Elton Jon they actually wrote their own songs. Also 30 years is kind of a long time to go back, I mean if u want to go back to 84' someone like Michael Jackson had a few hits in the 80's and was still pretty young.
I just realized both Elton John and Billy Joel were 23 when their huge hits came out (Tiny Dancer and Piano Man, respectively). Compare that to what the 23 year olds of the past 20-30 years come out with, and there's your difference in talent.
Originally posted by psmith81992Elton John doesn't write his own music, and Billy Joel is sort of the Nickelback of his day. A commercially successful musician whom "serious" music-listeners and critics don't take very seriously. I do like Piano Man though.
I just realized both Elton John and Billy Joel were 23 when their huge hits came out (Tiny Dancer and Piano Man, respectively). Compare that to what the 23 year olds of the past 20-30 years come out with, and there's your difference in talent.
Nirvana has already been mentioned.
I mean, if you really want to gauge musicians solely by "talent" alone, Lady Gaga (Whose music I don't even like) wrote her first piano ballad at 13 and was a piano prodigy. She taught herself how to play by ear at the age of four.
The members of Metallica were in their early twenties when they released Master of Puppets in 1986, with Hetfield being 23 just likee Elton John and Billy Joel.
Mikael Akerfeldt, the lyrical and musical visionary of Opeth, was 26 (Just three years more than Elton John and Joel) when Blackwater Park was released, an album featuring musical complexity the likes of which Joel never matched and Elton John only matched in the soundtrack to The Lion King.
Music hasn't gotten better. There was shit then just like there's shit now.
Elton John doesn't write his own music, and Billy Joel is sort of the Nickelback of his day. A commercially successful musician whom "serious" music-listeners and critics don't take very seriously. I do like Piano Man though.
Lady Gaga is immensely talented but refuses to maximize her talent in favor of weird, stupid shit.
It's not so much that music is shittier, it's the best acts of the 50/60s are arguably better than the best acts of the 90s/today.
Originally posted by psmith81992They're also arguable worse. There's no gauge for quality, only your preferences.
It's not so much that music is shittier, it's the best acts of the 50/60s are arguably better than the best acts of the 90s/today.
Originally posted by NemeBro👆
Music hasn't gotten better. There was shit then just like there's shit now.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-drive
Hey Lucius: FUCK YOUR ROCKETRY EQUATIONS
Originally posted by psmith81992Right, because they're old. We live in a society where people idiotically believe something being older makes it better. The 60's in particular benefit from this mentality. It's why Jimi Hendrix so often gets listed as the best guitarist ever when he wouldn't even make the top 50 in an objective list (When I say "best" I do mean lists that pretend they're listing the "best", most influential is another thing entirely).
Both artists are always mentioned as top 5-10 solo acts of all time. And Billy Joel wrote Piano Man. In my mind they're better than Nirvana and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Nickelback.Lady Gaga is immensely talented but refuses to maximize her talent in favor of weird, stupid shit.
It's not so much that music is shittier, it's the best acts of the 50/60s are arguably better than the best acts of the 90s/today.
I don't really care for Nirvana, they too benefit from the "feel don't think" breed of music that annoys me so much but if nothing else, Cobain wrote his own music. That alone gives him a serious leg-up in the talent department over Elton John.
It's funny you mention that because she's frankly just the natural progression of shit Elton John helped pioneer (And by the way don't think I hate John or anything, I actually like quite a few of his songs). No one gave a **** about Elton John until he started wearing those eye-catching, garish outfits. Like John Lady Gaga is widely praised for her spectacle-driven concerts. In fact Gaga is really a lot like Elton John in terms of career, just with smaller boobs and a bigger penis.
One could argue exactly the opposite though, depending on preferences but mostly depending on how much Death Metal scares you (Shit does that sound biased?). You also have to account for hindsight. People see hugely popular musicians widely-thought of as jokes, with Justin Bieber being more or less the poster-boy for this brand of musician, look at them topping the charts and then thinking "Oh wow music is so much worse today, I remember when only the best musicians topped the charts". What single do you think topped the charts in 1969? One of those kewl as **** influential sixties rock songs? No, it was Sugar Sugar by the Archies, a shitty pop song no one remembers by a shitty pop band no one remembers. As time goes on, the garbage music slowly gets forgotten and only the gems of an era are remembered.
Hell, I've seen it happen in my lifetime. When's the last time someone's talked about the Jonas Brothers?
Originally posted by Zampanó
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/31/nasa-validates-impossible-space-driveHey Lucius: [b]FUC
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