The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Gideon
I'd rather not watch clips. Ironically, I'd rather see a man get the shit kicked out of him than see an animal get the same treatment.

But this animal craziness is ****ing genetic in my family.

I'm certainly against hunting for sport, the production of fur coats, intensive husbandry, and any form of animal cruelty, all for multiple reasons, but as someone who eats meat and drives a car with a leather interior I can't yet call myself a treehugger. An environmentalist? Definitely.

I'm somewhat indifferent to animals, they are a resource to be used like any other.

I agree, to an extent.

A resource to be used? Damn. That's a tiny-wee bit cruel...srsly

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
A resource to be used? Damn. That's a tiny-wee bit cruel...

Humans are the dominate species on the planet, ethics are immaterial when dealing with lesser species.

Does this mean I condone animal cruelty? No, I personally find it overly sadistic; however, that does not change the fact that humans are superior and will continue to use animals as a resource.

Originally posted by Autokrat
I'm somewhat indifferent to women, they are a resource to be used like any other.

Corrected.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Humans are the dominate species on the planet, ethics are immaterial when dealing with lesser species.

Does this mean I condone animal cruelty? No, I personally find it overly sadistic; however, that does not change the fact that humans are superior and will continue to use animals as a resource.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Humans are the dominate species on the planet, ethics are immaterial when dealing with lesser species.

Wow. That's even more cruel. But fine, whatever floats your boat.

The fact that we're superior doesn't mean we should treat them like shit or kill them for fun... Ethics are not quite irrelevant. Killing animals for fun is a very, very cruel thing to do. Period. This isn't a matter of opinion.

Let's just leave it at that. I don't want to discuss this matter fully.

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
Killing animals for fun is a very, very cruel thing to do. Period. This isn't a matter of opinion.

Certainly depends on who you ask.

But, I agree. Animal cruelty sucks unless you plan on eating them.

It does depend on who you ask, of course.

What I meant is, that even though some people think it's not cruel, it actually is.

Would you people please not ignore my sexist remark?

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
What I meant is, that even though some people think it's not cruel, it actually is.

Which omnipotent, can never be wrong about anything, being said this? I suppose that if God said it than it's true. If some human has declared this... I dunno.

And yes, I'm just playing devil's advocate. But absolute truths always bug me because they're never absolute.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Humans are the dominate species on the planet, ethics are immaterial when dealing with lesser species.

Does this mean I condone animal cruelty? No, I personally find it overly sadistic; however, that does not change the fact that humans are superior and will continue to use animals as a resource.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Certainly depends on who you ask.

But, I agree. Animal cruelty sucks unless you plan on eating them.

That's a little stupid. Killing an animal out of necessity is alright, but it should be done humanely. Whether or not you make use of its death, cruelty towards it beforehand is still cruel.

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
What I meant is, that even though some people think it's not cruel, it actually is.

Originally posted by Faunus
[B]So if I go shoot a baby deer's leg off, bind its other legs to its ears, and then drag it along a road until it dies, I'm in the clear provided I eat it?

That's a little stupid. Killing an animal out of necessity is alright, but it should be done humanely. Whether or not you make use of its death, cruelty towards it beforehand is still cruel.

Maybe I should have worded that better.

Originally posted by Faunus
That's what "animal rights" are; a code of ethics applied to "lesser species" by kind or simply sensible human beings who see the benefit in not treating nature like a *****.

I should have probably phrased myself better, I'm not denying that animal rights exist, I'm simply saying that they are subjective. I, as a person am perfectly alright with animals being used as test subjects in medical experiments, I'm alright with them being hunted for sport and I'm not offended by fur coats. To me, animals are a resource to be used.

And it's alright, to an extent. You say that you find animal cruelty overly sadistic, but proclaiming that you are indifferent to their plight means that you are condoning it.

Again poor phrasing on my part. I don't condone animal cruelty without reason. I mean if a microbiologist wants to see how a particular bacteria will behave, I'm not offended if a chimpanzee is used as a test subject, because to me, it's a valid scientific reason and the chimpanzee, being inferior does not rank high enough on my own ethical scale. Obviously this entire argument is subjective, because animal rights themselves are subjective.

Originally posted by Autokrat
I should have probably phrased myself better, I'm not denying that animal rights exist, I'm simply saying that they are subjective. I, as a person am perfectly alright with animals being used as test subjects in medical experiments, I'm alright with them being hunted for sport and I'm not offended by fur coats. To me, animals are a resource to be used.

Again poor phrasing on my part. I don't condone animal cruelty without reason. I mean if a microbiologist wants to see how a particular bacteria will behave, I'm not offended if a chimpanzee is used as a test subject, because to me, it's a valid scientific reason and the chimpanzee, being inferior does not rank high enough on my own ethical scale. Obviously this entire argument is subjective, because animal rights themselves are subjective.

But I have to say, the concept of such apathy - and that's really what it is - apalls me.

If that apathy was directed towards human suffering and experimentation, it'd be disgraceful, but towards animals: Meh.

Originally posted by Gideon
Would you people please not ignore my sexist remark?

I laughed.

Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
I laughed.

Thank you.