How is Kylo any less trained than the others? Like at all?
How is Kylo any less whiny prepubescent Skywalker angst than the last two we've seen?
How is Kylo's personal mission not to be as Vader-esque as possible?
It was worth your time to deny, so it should definitely be worth your time to explain your reasoning. And not just, "Kylo's not "comfortably a Sith Lord."
We don't know when Kylo betrayed the Jedi Order. According to Pablo, that scene with the KoR is not them attacking the Jedi Temple. So who knows how much Jedi training Kylo truly has. Heck, Luke may have been deliberately training Kylo slowly because of his inner darkness. And it's similar with Snoke, who knows how much he has trained Kylo.
What we do know is that Kylo is poorly trained, based on interviews and what we see in the film.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceUgh, how about instead you explain to me how Kylo is as well trained as Dooku, Vader or Maul first since you made the claim.
How is Kylo any less trained than the others? Like at all?
How is Kylo any less whiny prepubescent Skywalker angst than the last two we've seen?
How is Kylo's personal mission not to be as Vader-esque as possible?It was worth your time to deny, so it should definitely be worth your time to explain your reasoning. And not just, "Kylo's not "comfortably a Sith Lord."
Then explain where Dooku, Vader or Maul have demonstrated "whiny prepubescent Skywalker angst" (FYI, Anakin =/= Vader)
Then conclude your enlightening response with reasoning for why "shit that happened in your life" and a shared pursuit of power makes you remotely identical in actual character (hint: it doesn't).
And then, really, as an addendum, explain to me why Kylo is lame when he's apparently just like Vader, Dooku and Maul, those super cool villains!
We don't know when Kylo betrayed the Jedi Order. According to Pablo, that scene with the KoR is not them attack the Jedi Temple. So who knows how much Jedi training Kylo truly has. Heck, Luke may have been deliberately training Kylo slowly because of his inner darkness. And it's similar with Snoke, who knows how much he has trained Kylo.
What we do know is that Kylo is poorly trained, based on interviews and what we see in the film.
Ugh, how about instead you explain to me how Kylo is as well trained as Dooku, Vader or Maul first since you made the claim.
Then explain where Dooku, Vader or Maul have demonstrated “whiny prepubescent Skywalker angst” (FYI, Anakin =/= Vader)
Then conclude your enlightening response with reasoning for why “shit that happened in your life” and a shared pursuit of power makes you remotely identical in actual character.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I assume well enough since Kylo's betrayal of the Jedi is also recent, and Kylo's in his 30s, give or take, at the moment.
And where does the notion that it's recent come from?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What we know is that his training is "incomplete," as far as I've seen. He's also said to have saber skills that apparently are responsible for stopping the Jedi from reforming, so I doubt he's that poorly trained.
Considering he can't even create a proper lightsaber, I'd disagree. What he lacks in training he makes up for in raw power.
Originally posted by ares834
And where does the notion that it's recent come from?
Considering he can't even create a proper lightsaber, I'd disagree. What he lacks in training he makes up for in raw power.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceHow does being trained "well enough" (an assumption in itself) by a fledging Jedi Order, being better than as you would likely put it a bunch of featless mooks and... well that's it, make his training on level with Maul, Dooku or Vader's?
Above.
And this time actually think, hard, about the level of training those three have received, from whom, and in what contexts, because I can't be assed to spell it out.
I didn't mean that Dooku, Vader, and Maul are all whiney. Kylo, however, from the snippets we've seen of him, is your run of the mill, "I need power, so I'm going to get power, snark, snark." that we've seen time and time again in Star Wars.Yeah, that's called the dark side. 😬
With the added benefit of crying occasionally in typical angsty Skywalker fashion. And I'm pretty sure Vader is Anakin. The semantics game is dumb.No, Vader and Anakin are, yes, technically the same person, but they are too very different characters and personas, as it made explicit in the movies. 👆
And the only one playing the semantics game here is you my friend, seeing as we are discussing the portrayal of Star Wars villains on screen.
You serious? You act like an old man following around a prodigal young boy who kills off an order, but still has doubt about his family, and is always in eternal anguish is like the most common backstory ever. It's not. Kylo was obviously meant to be Vaderesque.The only "traits" Vader and Kylo share (though originally you had Dooku and Maul on that list as well, nice goalpost change there) is that they are conflicted villains, which yes is quite common indeed.
On the other hand Kylo is quite different from Vader in the respect, as you pointed out, he is remains the angsty emotional teen. Vader is frankly stoic in comparison.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
How does being trained "well enough" (an assumption in itself) by a fledging Jedi Order, being better than as you would likely put it a bunch of featless mooks and... well that's it, make his training on level with Maul, Dooku or Vader's?
And this time actually think, hard, about the level of training those three have received, from whom, and in what contexts, because I can't be assed to spell it out.
Yeah, that's called the dark side. 😬No, Vader and Anakin are, yes, technically the same person, but they are too very different characters and personas, as it made explicit in the movies. 👆
And the only one playing the semantics game here is you my friend, seeing as we are discussing the portrayal of Star Wars villains on screen.The only "traits" Vader and Kylo share (though originally you had Dooku and Maul on that list as well, nice goalpost change there) is that they are conflicted villains, which yes is quite common indeed.
On the other hand Kylo is quite different from Vader in the respect, as you pointed out, he is remains the angsty emotional teen. Vader is frankly stoic in comparison.
I just feel like mentioning now how much I dislike this "Just as planned!" trope where it turns out that every setback, defeat, and moment of apparent weakness a villain suffered was actually part of their plan. It just makes it so obvious that the villain owes their success not to actually being good at what they do but to the fact the writer is on their side (until the final battle).I'm choosing to imagine that the Palpatine Revenant is going Baghdad Bob on his minions here.
"Yes, yes, my sitting on my hands while my Empire burns around me may look like I screwed up, got myself killed, got bitten in the neck by my own paranoia, and am now unable to do anything about having lost control over 99% of my assets and reduced to huddling in my last stronghold and hoping my enemies weaken each other enough that I may yet destroy them with the last remnant of my strength, but I am in fact engaging in a creative exercise in Sith Social Darwinist philosophy!"
"Very devious, Your Majesty. Was the getting yourself blown up along with your right hand man and your superweapon and having your Empire fall apart part of your plan too?"
"Uh, I'll get back to you on that."
@gid
also: matlab is way more difficult when ur body/s core temp has risen to 102