The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Taven3,287 pages

Merry Santa Claus firends!

Jesus wasn't borN on the 25th and gay Roman butsekz isn't cool. **** you.

I have "Flashing Lights" stuck in my head now, which sucks considering there's only one part of the song that I actually like.

lol... dumbass WoW fanb1tches. They're in denial of how sh1t their favorite game actually is.

Valkyrie was one of the best movies I have ever seen. Do yourselves a favor and go watch it. Despite the fact that we all know how it ends, it doesn't lose a fraction of the suspense.

A-list actors giving Oscar-worthy performances and a terribly tragic ending.

I wanted to see it, but now it's a must.

Originally posted by Captain REX
I wanted to see it, but now it's a must.

Same here.

aw.. Taven was here for so long. lol.

WWWHHHHHHHYYYYY?!!!!

Why not?

For the record, David Bamber (portrays Adolf Hitler) doesn't get a lot of screentime in the movie, but when he does, he comes off as ridiculously magnetic and creepy all at the same time.

Well, I just read the most interesting Star Wars argument ever. On Stardestroyer.net, a member by the username of Lord Hoth is arguing the legal and moral merits of the Galactic Empire; he even goes so far as to be a Tarkin- and Palpatine-apologist and is attempting to justify their actions on moral grounds.

How is he trying to justify Tarkin landing his ship on hundreds of people? Or Palpatine ordering the deaths of thousands of Jedi? Or the hyper tax-ation and militarism? Or blowing the **** out of Alderaan?

Don't forget Xenophobia and enslavement of species such as the wookiees.

Most of those were addressed.

According to Lord Hoth, Palpatine was justified in executing the Jedi because of their attempted (and illegal) coup to remove him from office. Tarkin was justified in the Ghormaan Massacre because the protesters violated Imperial protocol and swarmed the docking bay; he had no choice. The Xenophobia, he rationalizes, wasn't Imperial policy in general; the Empire can't be blamed. Lastly, the Wookies engaged in open rebellion against the Empire. It was Palpatine's right to forcibly occupy the planet.

... and in the end he's wrong. All the things he's said is not justification. They're reasons but not justification. There's a difference.

That argument is pointless though, it's completely subjective.

Originally posted by Gideon
Most of those were addressed.

According to Lord Hoth, Palpatine was justified in executing the Jedi because of their attempted (and illegal) coup to remove him from office. Tarkin was justified in the Ghormaan Massacre because the protesters violated Imperial protocol and swarmed the docking bay; he had no choice. The Xenophobia, he rationalizes, wasn't Imperial policy in general; the Empire can't be blamed. Lastly, the Wookies engaged in open rebellion against the Empire. It was Palpatine's right to forcibly occupy the planet.

That's legal justification sure, any law can be ratified, theoretically. Moral standpoints, while subjective, do have a considerable standing in a general sense to people (i.e. killing a child is wrong). So morally, no.

Well, the Soviets executed/exiled/did stuff to whoever spoke against the regime. Sure, it was illegal to speak against the government, but was it morally right to kill a person based on saying something?

This stuff applies to the real world as well. After all, the Empire was influenced by many real-world totalitarian regimes.

This guy seems to think that legal = moral.

Hell, one person said that since governments were non sentient entities, they couldn't be moral or immoral. He cited Nazi Germany; Hitler and his staff were immoral, not the Nazi government as a whole.

I'd agree with that to an extent.

Does he remember that governments are controlled and ran by fallible man who are just as morally fallible and potentially corrupt as everyone else? Palpatine is EVIL, flat-out EVIL. He's also the absolute ruler of a totalitarian regime- meaning that he IS law and is able to do whatever the hell he wants, legally speaking. Laws are a set of principles are behavioral norms set by men. Or in this case, a man who is clearly sadistic, evil, and mentally unbalanced. So... every law he makes is moral? WTF?

I bet this guy loves Bush.

As for the Nazi Government, Hitler was the Nazi Government. He created every single law there and had full control over it. The Nazi government is, in itself, not an entity; it's an organization composed of people who endorsed Hitler's ideas and world view. Which we can all agree was immoral.