The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Gideon3,287 pages

Well, I'm of two minds on that particular point. Like Blaxican, I can see the merit of what he's trying to say, but I'm not impressed nor amused with his apologist attitude towards the worst the Empire has to offer.

On the one hand, the idea that the Galactic Empire ruled through blatant force is a myth. The truth, provided by dozens of EU supplement works, was that the Empire was ridiculously, obscenely popular. Palpatine was viewed as a demi-god by most of the galactic population, with even Biggs Darklighter in the A New Hope novelization crediting the Empire's perceived tyranny with "the new people in charge." Palpatine cleverly distanced himself from most of the atrocities committed by monsters like Tarkin.

Likewise, he's also correct in that the Empire was, in some ways, a stabilizing force. While I'm not a Palpatine apologist, and I recognize that the man is likely the most vile and inhumane of all literary creations, I also realize that since he was a narcissist who wanted to dominate the galaxy, he didn't want it being destroyed by petty civil wars amongst planets. And so the Hand of Thrawn duology confirms that the Empire put to rest dozens of wars and infighting amongst planets and systems; whereas the Republic could not.

So in terms of actually enforcing the law and protecting its citizenry, the Empire is better than the Republic.

However, the Imperial hierarchy was deliberately designed to allow maniacs like Tarkin and Trachta and Motti and Pestage to ascend to power. Palpatine was fully aware of their evil deeds when he allowed (and in some cases orchestrated) their rise to power. He signed off on the destruction of Alderaan and other planets. According the TFU databank, countless civilizations had been destroyed by Palpatine's Empire.

And as for Palpatine himself? The man is inexcusably evil without any redeeming quality. There can be no apology for his sins.

I agree.

By my comment, I was referring more to the little man than the rulers. I think it's a bit far fetched to say that every person who held some position of power within the Nazi Government was evil. I'm sure there were people who were morally righteous, but did not or could not speak out for whatever reason, people who did were shipped off.

Even in the Empire I'm sure there were leaders with good qualities.

Pellaeon.

The problem is that those were few and far between.

Could you give a link to the actual argument? I want to see how thoroughly he's being ripped apart by people there.

Mwuhahhahhahah. aha.

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I heard that Hitler owed his life to a jew for saving his life. Does anyone know if this is actually true?

The thread was called "Rogue Jedi," and I can't find it anymore. Ghost Rider must have put it in the Hall of Shame.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I heard that Hitler owed his life to a jew for saving his life. Does anyone know if this is actually true?
Isn't that the basis for the John Cusack film, [I[Max[/I]?

My poetic abilities are phenomenal. 😐

Blaxican poetry?

What else have you written that rhymes with "bust a cap in yo' ass"?

Butsekz.

Nice.

It's actually pretty good.

Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor is amazing. Another fine addition from Stover.

And a couple of surprising appearances.

Jesus. How the **** do you get to all this new shit so fast?

His parents compensate for ignoring him by buying him Star wars books.

That's about right.

Spoiler:
'Lord Shadowspawn' is an alias for Palpatine's Emperor's Hand, Cronal, ex-head of Imperial Intelligence. His thoughts on Palpatine are pretty funny. Nick Rostu is one of Cronal's pawns. As is Kar Vastor.

Aw. 🙁

Star Wars universe, always putting the black man down.

I like to think of it as "in their proper place."