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Kobe still has 5 rings.... 🙂

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I don't, but career wise Kobe was still better until 08-10-ish. So LeBron is not the best for a loooooong time.

LEL. Lebron was the best player since 08-09, no ifs, ands, or buts. Kobe was the best for about 1-2 years.

Kobe was MVP in 2008 fuggot. Kill self 🙂

I don't think Lebron wins any more rings but that 3rd one puts him in the top 5 or even top 3 of all time.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Kobe was MVP in 2008 fuggot. Kill self 🙂

Yeah, and Lebron's regular season this year was better than Kobe's MVP season.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I don't think Lebron wins any more rings but that 3rd one puts him in the top 5 or even top 3 of all time.

👆

I can't think of more than 2 people I'd put above him, all things considered.

I can. But he's easily top 5 now.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, and Lebron's regular season this year was better than Kobe's MVP season.

So ****ing what? I was talking about Kobe vs LeBron up until 08-10, not their whole career.

Ok? Lebron's 3rd year in the NBA was better than any of Kobe's seasons, LEL. 08-10, Lebron was far superior.

Skillz are you just gonna gloss over the opportunity to lurn about dreams?

LeBron wasn't better than Kobe during the Lakers repeat years, LAL.

MJ, Magic, Bird, Shaq... Kareem.. MAYBE Duncan Lebron is top 5-7.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
I can. But he's easily top 5 now.

Jordan
Kareem
???

Magic isn't the athletic or defensive force that Lebron is, though is definitely a better orchestrator and clutch player

Duncan is as clutch as you can get, and has had insane longevity, but is simply not as dominant as Lebron imo physically or in all phases of the game considered.

Bird no longer has a ring advantage, and is inferior to Lebron at everything except shooting and rebounding

Shaq had dominance, but imo not quite as much as Lebron, and he only has 1 MVP to Lebron's 4.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
LeBron wasn't better than Kobe during the Lakers repeat years, LAL.

Uhh, yes he was, KEK.

Nah.
He had a habit of coming up small in big moments, and showing lack of leadership with those Cavs teams. Kobe excelled when it matters, and generally was a far greater leader.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Jordan
Kareem
???

Magic isn't the athletic or defensive force that Lebron is, though is definitely a better orchestrator and clutch player

Duncan is as clutch as you can get, and has had insane longevity, but is simply not as dominant as Lebron imo physically or in all phases of the game considered.

Bird no longer has a ring advantage, and is inferior to Lebron at everything except shooting and rebounding

Shaq had dominance, but imo not quite as much as Lebron, and he only has 1 MVP to Lebron's 4.

Magic was a better leader and did EVERYTHING for that team when needed. His NBA finals debut as center was better than anything I've seen from Lebron. Duncan wasn't the scorer lebron is but he was an all around beast that affected the game maybe even more than Lebron. Bird was a better shooter, rebounder, and I think he was a smarter player. He's obviously athletically inferior. Shaq is pretty much the most dominant player of all time. Go check his Lakers numbers.

Bird was also more clutch than LeBron, a better leader, and, possibly, a better passer.

But LeBron is his superior all the same.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nah.
He had a habit of coming up small in big moments, and showing lack of leadership with those Cavs teams. Kobe excelled when it matters, and generally was a far greater leader.

LEL.

I love how Kobe going 6-24 in Game 7 against the Celtics doesn't constitute "coming up short." And I love how Lebron's 2008-2010 playoff runs constitute him coming up short as an individual.

If we are talking about totality in terms of dominance and athletic superiority, only Jordan reigns supreme above Lebron.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Magic was a better leader and did EVERYTHING for that team when needed. His NBA finals debut as center was better than anything I've seen from Lebron. Duncan wasn't the scorer lebron is but he was an all around beast that affected the game maybe even more than Lebron. Bird was a better shooter, rebounder, and I think he was a smarter player. He's obviously athletically inferior. Shaq is pretty much the most dominant player of all time. Go check his Lakers numbers.

Regarding Magic: I dunno, Lebron coming back this series the way he was able to is one of the best accomplishments in NBA History, bar none. Lebron's a better score, inferior passer, on par rebounder, and vastly superior defender.

I wouldn't say Duncan individually affected the game more than Lebron, all things considered. Duncan was a better defender and obviously a better rebounder, but that's it. Lebron's the much superior scorer and passer.

Yeah, and that's about it. Bird's a comparable passer and a great (albeit inferior) scorer, but his defense pales in comparison to Lebron.

Shaq's Lakers numbers are inferior to Lebron's numbers. Heck, all of the people mentioned above have vastly inferior stats to Lebron.