Ladies and gentlemen, Obama is now officially the first black president ever. Nobody tried to shoot him, either, which is quite impressive, all things considering.
Anyway, history's just been made. Go get yourself a beer and pat yourself in the back if you voted Obama. If you voted McCain, you can go ahead and suck it.
IS FUNNY BECAUSE I AGREE AND U R NOT TEH AMERICONZ!!
edit: I watched The Dark Knight last night. MC's signature is correct. ('Why so serious, son' is the most appropriate line given the context.) Overall, I was very disappointed with the movie. The Joker was darn badass but the rest of the movie was sub par. (At least after the first viewing. I might change my mind by tonight.)
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Ladies and gentlemen, Obama is now officially the first black president ever. Nobody tried to shoot him, either, which is quite impressive, all things considering.Anyway, history's just been made. Go get yourself a beer and pat yourself in the back if you voted Obama. If you voted McCain, you can go ahead and suck it.
Let's hope Obama doesn't destroy the middle class. While I'm a conservative and Republican, Obama is very charismatic, which drives smart and stupid Americans to him. He's a great speaker as well. Basically the second coming of JFK or Bill Clinton. However, most black people voted for him because of his color, not realizing that he's more white washed than Tiger Woods. The majority of people think that he's going to be the best president in history for no apparent reason, other than war paranoia. He's not going to give any special treatment to blacks or liberals which I'm proud of, and which liberals and blacks are completely oblivious to.
Ok, thats just weird. I just got on the internet and punched in the URL for this site and then my screen shrunk and danced around. This after going to a site called smouch.net were I was Rick Roll'd. I was forced to turn off my computer as any attempts leave the site were met with pop-ups which had lyrics to the song. So I must ask is this the new way to Rick Roll people?
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
edit: I watched The Dark Knight last night. MC's signature is correct. ('Why so serious, [b]son' is the most appropriate line given the context.) Overall, I was very disappointed with the movie. The Joker was darn badass but the rest of the movie was sub par. (At least after the first viewing. I might change my mind by tonight.) [/B]
Yessir. I'd say 'go kill yourself', but you were so nice to me, so...
I still love you. 😄
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Let's hope Obama doesn't destroy the middle class. While I'm a conservative and Republican, Obama is very charismatic, which drives smart and stupid Americans to him. He's a great speaker as well. Basically the second coming of JFK or Bill Clinton. However, most black people voted for him because of his color, not realizing that he's more white washed than Tiger Woods. The majority of people think that he's going to be the best president in history for no apparent reason, other than war paranoia. He's not going to give any special treatment to blacks or liberals which I'm proud of, and which liberals and blacks are completely oblivious to.
Well, I think that the fact that Obama is a black president is a testament to his political abilities, if you look beyond what is shallow. One would have to be a brilliant politician in order to rise against traditions and odds and become the first of a 'kind', so to speak. You know what he had to overcome? Racism, conservatism, and a very obscure background. The fact that he succeeded does prove his skills.
Also, he does have a past in civil rights and so. You can't claim he didn't do anything for black people in the U.S. And, his social plan favors is made to assist the people of the lower financial class, who are really the people who need help. I think I'd make an educated guess (no racism involved) that the lower class is dominated by 'ethnics' like blacks, latinos, Asian, and so forth. It makes sense. Obama's position as a black himself increases his compassion to these sorts of people, who get screwed over by the system and a racist society and are driven to things like gang violence, drugs, and even murder.
This is good, IMO. Financial systems that favor the uber-rich and the mega corporations, like the conservative plan, never work.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
This is good, IMO. Financial systems that favor the uber-rich and the mega corporations, like the conservative plan, never work.
You know I'm going to have to disagree on this point. Plans that favor the uber-rich work just fine from an economic standpoint, it just sucks hardcore to be at the bottom rung of society.
Of course it has always sucked be at the bottom rung of society, a fact that will never change.
Originally posted by Master CrimzonWell, I think that the fact that Obama is a black president is a testament to his political abilities, if you look beyond what is shallow. One would have to be a brilliant politician in order to rise against traditions and odds and become the first of a 'kind', so to speak. You know what he had to overcome? Racism, conservatism, and a very obscure background. The fact that he succeeded does prove his skills.
Also, he does have a past in civil rights and so. You can't claim he didn't do anything for black people in the U.S. And, his social plan favors is made to assist the people of the lower financial class, who are really the people who need help. I think I'd make an educated guess (no racism involved) that the lower class is dominated by 'ethnics' like blacks, latinos, Asian, and so forth. It makes sense. Obama's position as a black himself increases his compassion to these sorts of people, who get screwed over by the system and a racist society and are driven to things like gang violence, drugs, and even murder.
This is good, IMO. Financial systems that favor the uber-rich and the mega corporations, like the conservative plan, never work. [/B]
First, I'd like to say that I think you were wrong on the Israeli-Hamas issue. Hamas has been claiming that it is in the process of rearming itself, AFTER Israel issued a ceasefire. So sorry MC, your notion of peace, just as I thought, does not work in the reality of unreasonable people, such as the radical fundamentalists. We are going to have to wipe them out.
In terms of Obama, I'm both a Republican and an ultraconservative, but I am also objective. I will be the first to say that the Republican campaign was a poorly planned shitpile. Instead of addressing the issues affecting our country and explaining their proposals for the betterment of our society, McCain and Palin spent most of the time taking shots at Obama and Biden. And while Obama is a democrat, he's young, very intelligent, and above all, charismatic. This last trait is what attracts people to him and I do think that he's going to improve our country. He's the second coming of JFK/Clinton, although I personally think they were both more charismatic then him. As much as I don't agree with some of his foreign policies and his restructurement, or rather distribution of wealth, I doubt he's going to completely overhaul either system. He's going to continue helping Israel as well. But liberals, the morons that they are, are already saying that he could be the best president ever. This is not only ridiculous, but premature. Then again, in a time of crisis, people will lose all forms of logic and become increasingly ignorant.
In terms of black people, the majority of black people voted for him not because of his policies, but because of the color of their skin, which is hilariously stupid and says a lot about the majority of black people in our country, nevermind the fact that Obama is whiter than Tiger Woods. What most people fail to realize is that he's not going to give anyone freebies (i'm looking at you black people), and I admire his sense of objectivity in the position that he's in. Overall I think he'll do well and I'm not so close minded as to not give him a chance.
Originally posted by Autokrat
You know I'm going to have to disagree on this point. Plans that favor the uber-rich work just fine from an economic standpoint, it just sucks hardcore to be at the bottom rung of society.Of course it has always sucked be at the bottom rung of society, a fact that will never change.
But is it cool to have the rich people who don't need the extra money anyway get fatter and richer while poor people get poorer and lose money they need to survive? I don't think so. It also creates a lot of problems for society- drug-related violence, like I mentioned, among them.
Originally posted by Autokrat
I'd like to say that I think you were wrong on the Israeli-Hamas issue. Hamas has been claiming that it is in the process of rearming itself, AFTER Israel issued a ceasefire. So sorry MC, your notion of peace, just as I thought, does not work in the reality of unreasonable people, such as the radical fundamentalists. We are going to have to wipe them out.
First, display proof of it. Hamas is an organization that is based on ideas of strength and power- in order to keep the people in check, they have to maintain the notion that their military prowess is as high as ever. That's how it works in the Middle East- they can't afford to be perceived as weak. This can also be seen as a method keeping Israel 'on its toes', so to speak.
Second, even if they are re-arming, we can still use my ideas of international negotiations and so in order to stop them from using these weapons.
Third, do you honestly think wiping out Hamas will solve the Arab-Israeli problem?
Originally posted by Autokrat
In terms of Obama, I'm both a Republican and an ultraconservative, but I am also objective. I will be the first to say that the Republican campaign was a poorly planned shitpile. Instead of addressing the issues affecting our country and explaining their proposals for the betterment of our society, McCain and Palin spent most of the time taking shots at Obama and Biden. And while Obama is a democrat, he's young, very intelligent, and above all, charismatic. This last trait is what attracts people to him and I do think that he's going to improve our country. He's the second coming of JFK/Clinton, although I personally think they were both more charismatic then him. As much as I don't agree with some of his foreign policies and his restructurement, or rather distribution of wealth, I doubt he's going to completely overhaul either system. He's going to continue helping Israel as well. But liberals, the morons that they are, are already saying that he could be the best president ever. This is not only ridiculous, but premature. Then again, in a time of crisis, people will lose all forms of logic and become increasingly ignorant.
You need to distinguish things. Liberals may be saying he has the potential to be the best president ever- while I do think that it's irrational and premature, it's still a matter of speculation.
Also, you're right- in a crisis, people lose their minds. Conservatives are guilty of it, too- their rampant fear of change is causing many a conservative to make claims about Obama being a closet Muslim, a terrorist, etc. Some religious groups have conspiracy theories about him being the so-called 'Anti-Christ'. Sorry, that's far, far worse than claiming he will be the best president ever, being that it isn't based on anything in reality.
Also, you want another example of how conservatives become irrational? The rednecks who say that Muslims are the world's 'problem' (I know a lot of people who think this way) and all deserve to die, while remaining more and more uptight about social issues like abortion, the economic plan, gay rights, etc. This sort of problem results on people clinging to their primitive beliefs further and increasing their general tone of unreason and intolerance. I suppose it can be seen as an outlet for all the pressure built up during such a troubled time.
Liberal war policy goes against the idea of pressure coming from war; it maintains the concept of moral degeneration during war being an evil thing. Really, conservative philosophy is a much better example of this 'insanity as a result of crisis'.
Originally posted by Autokrat
In terms of black people, the majority of black people voted for him not because of his policies, but because of the color of their skin, which is hilariously stupid and says a lot about the majority of black people in our country, nevermind the fact that Obama is whiter than Tiger Woods. What most people fail to realize is that he's not going to give anyone freebies (i'm looking at you black people), and I admire his sense of objectivity in the position that he's in. Overall I think he'll do well and I'm not so close minded as to not give him a chance.
First, stop distinguishing so much between black and white culture. Obama is black. Just because he isn't uberblack in his skin and acts all 'black stereotype' doesn't mean that he is any whiter than anybody else, considering his history of civil rights help and so. His entire life was dedicated to reaching a new era of social acceptance, which I believe is what appealed to black people much more than his actual skin color.
Also, please stop this implication that most black people in this country are 'stupid'. I assure you that many people didn't vote for Obama because he is black, which is far stupider than voting for him because he is black. Like I said, it is proof of his political skills and intelligence.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
First, display proof of it. Hamas is an organization that is based on ideas of strength and power- in order to keep the people in check, they have to maintain the notion that their military prowess is as high as ever. That's how it works in the Middle East- they can't afford to be perceived as weak. This can also be seen as a method keeping Israel 'on its toes', so to speak.
Second, even if they are re-arming, we can still use my ideas of international negotiations and so in order to stop them from using these weapons.
Third, do you honestly think wiping out Hamas will solve the Arab-Israeli problem?
You need to distinguish things. Liberals may be saying he has the potential to be the best president ever- while I do think that it's irrational and premature, it's still a matter of speculation.
Also, you want another example of how conservatives become irrational? The rednecks who say that Muslims are the world's 'problem' (I know a lot of people who think this way) and all deserve to die, while remaining more and more uptight about social issues like abortion, the economic plan, gay rights, etc. This sort of problem results on people clinging to their primitive beliefs further and increasing their general tone of unreason and intolerance. I suppose it can be seen as an outlet for all the pressure built up during such a troubled time.
First, stop distinguishing so much between black and white culture. Obama is black. Just because he isn't uberblack in his skin and acts all 'black stereotype' doesn't mean that he is any whiter than anybody else, considering his history of civil rights help and so. His entire life was dedicated to reaching a new era of social acceptance, which I believe is what appealed to black people much more than his actual skin color.
Also, please stop this implication that most black people in this country are 'stupid'. I assure you that many people didn't vote for Obama because he is black, which is far stupider than voting for him because he is black. Like I said, it is proof of his political skills and intelligence. [/B]
According to an article i read, I'll have to get it for you, 79% of black people voted for Obama because they wanted a black president. The proof is in the pudding.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
First, I don't know why you're quoting me as Autokrat. Secondly, what proof do I need? It is the idea of a perceived threat. History has shown us that terrorist organizations are very persistent.
Sorry about the Autokrat thing. My bad.
Correct. But Hamas is a different type of terrorist organization. Never forget that Hamas is fighting, in a way, for the Palestinians' people survival along with their religious fundamentalism. The poor conditions the Palestinians are forced to live under (in part due to Israel) pressure them into commiting war, which they can view as the only way to escape their conditions.
Which is why I say; introduce a different mindset. Things are different now, which creates basis for different handling of situations. Sticking to a conservative mindset prevents change and development.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What ideas? The minute we initiated a ceasefire, Hamas starting talking shit and shooting at our soldiers again. Honestly, what logical ideas are going to help the illogical human being?
Again; going into further negotiations (Israel refuses to talk to Hamas, a large mistake in my opinion) will enable reaching an actual compromise, especially with international support that isn't militaristic in nature. If the necessity for a militant group like Hamas is removed (giving the Palestinians a decent country and actually live-able conditions), I can assure you things will be considerably different. You have nothing to lose if you go down this category.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It will solve the Israel-Hamas problem and make the fundamentalists think twice before picking a fight.
Wait... you just said fundamentalists aren't logical at all! Therefore, they'd have no reason to 'think twice', because they are completely unafraid of death and the consequence of war. A wiping out of Hamas, with its civilian cost, will only feed the cycle of growing war and anti-semitism, and will only be used as fodder for Israel hatred. It will therefore only be a matter of time before another terrorist problem arises. It's time to use a permanent solution instead of a short-lived one that only creates more grounds for terrorism.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Well, they're ALREADY saying he will be the best president ever. This type of speculation that is based on nothing, is retarded.
I agree.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
There are redneck conservatives like that and they are dangerous to society. But they differ in the views of most conservatives, whereas the majority of most liberals either have the same views, or are confused because most of their views are indeed conservative.
Most conservatives I've seen fit into that ridiculous redneck category, and only hide their real thoughts of racism and nationalism. So, there you go; things look different from my end of the political spectrum.
Liberals are just as intelligent as conservatives. And, if you look at history, you'll see that most presidents really remembered for being great- for making a different, for making a change, and leading to a better society- are all liberal democrats.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Problem is Obama never had these cultural struggles that a lot of black people are using as excuses for failure. I don't like to use the term whitewashed but Obama is very much that.
What, you don't think Obama's faced considerable trouble on his road to presidency? America is very much a racist country, even if its imbedded within people's subconscious. Obama overcoming this proves his political prowess, which you should acknowledge.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
According to an article i read, I'll have to get it for you, 79% of black people voted for Obama because they wanted a black president. The proof is in the pudding.
Because a black president is more likely to be innovative and feature a different in the status quo; because the idea of a black president itself attacks conservative ideas and beliefs.
Also, being a black candidate is actually a testmanet to Obama's abilities, which you should honestly stop ignoring.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Correct. But Hamas is a different type of terrorist organization. Never forget that Hamas is fighting, in a way, for the Palestinians' people survival along with their religious fundamentalism. The poor conditions the Palestinians are forced to live under (in part due to Israel) pressure them into commiting war, which they can view as the only way to escape their conditions.
Which is why I say; introduce a different mindset. Things are different now, which creates basis for different handling of situations. Sticking to a conservative mindset prevents change and development.
Again; going into further negotiations (Israel refuses to talk to Hamas, a large mistake in my opinion) will enable reaching an actual compromise, especially with international support that isn't militaristic in nature. If the necessity for a militant group like Hamas is removed (giving the Palestinians a decent country and actually live-able conditions), I can assure you things will be considerably different. You have nothing to lose if you go down this category.
Hamas refuses to talk to Israel. Israel responds to Hamas' attacks. It's a two way street, don't act like it's one sided.
[/quote]Wait... you just said fundamentalists aren't logical at all! Therefore, they'd have no reason to 'think twice', because they are completely unafraid of death and the consequence of war. A wiping out of Hamas, with its civilian cost, will only feed the cycle of growing war and anti-semitism, and will only be used as fodder for Israel hatred. It will therefore only be a matter of time before another terrorist problem arises. It's time to use a permanent solution instead of a short-lived one that only creates more grounds for terrorism. [/quote]
There is no permanent solution to fundamentalists except for death. That's all they understand.
Most conservatives I've seen fit into that ridiculous redneck category, and only hide their real thoughts of racism and nationalism. So, there you go; things look different from my end of the political spectrum.
Liberals are just as intelligent as conservatives. And, if you look at history, you'll see that most presidents really remembered for being great- for making a different, for making a change, and leading to a better society- are all liberal democrats.
What, you don't think Obama's faced considerable trouble on his road to presidency? America is very much a racist country, even if its imbedded within people's subconscious. Obama overcoming this proves his political prowess, which you should acknowledge.
Also, being a black candidate is actually a testmanet to Obama's abilities, which you should honestly stop ignoring. [/B]