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A case can be made for Lebron > Jordan but I mean...

I mean, Montana's team was stacked to the brim, while Mr. Terrific has played with so many different faces, and teams it's almost a crime.

Yet, Brady not only has just as many rings, but made it to the big game two more times than Montana did. He has a better win percentage, superior seasons, etc, etc. Montana only really has him beat in clutch, and even then Brady wrecking of the LoB in the forth of his latest SB win --- is something Rodgers, Brees, and Peyton couldn't do despite having, like, a combined 8 tries to do so?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Possible. But I doubt, it, kek. However, Brady is the best QB in terms of intangibles, Rodgers by tangibles.

Everyone else fights for the others spots, tbh.

Brady has a history of going super saiyan after he gets pissed.

Then again, he's like 39 years old. At some point he's going to drop, and from precedent it'll probably be really suddenly. But it might not be this year.

More case can be made for it than Brady>Montana

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Brady has a history of going super saiyan after he gets pissed.

Then again, he's like 39 years old. At some point he's going to drop, and from precedent it'll probably be really suddenly. But it might not be this year.

True.

Honestly, I hate Brady's guts, but I want him to continue his dominance. Him, and Bress, are, like, the last of the awesome generations of QB's I grew up with.

Montana's significant stats-increase in the playoffs is probably the foremost argument, along with going 4-0 in the Bowl.

Yeah, which I detail under "clutch".

Regardless, Brady's playoff stats aren't too shabby himself (leads in wins, yards, TD's, etc), and he's 4-2 and counting in the Superbowl. Dunno how losing before you reach the big game, is better than reaching it, and losing. That logic always has --- and always will be --- retarded to me.

All I know is that Brady-Montana is much closer than Jordan and anyone else.

If you use more advanced stats, I think Manning actually has better playoff numbers than Brady. But a lot of this is privvy to chance, which probably counts for lots of what we call "clutch".

Pretty sure Joe's stats are better than Brady's and Manning's in the playoffs despite the fact that quarterback stats back then were generally utter shit. Plus Montana never had a meltdown courtesy of the Giants in the Bowl.

I think Manning [Peyton], has some room to squeeze in that discussion, honestly. He's the "best" overall QB ever when we mix tangibles and intangibles.

His biggest problem is his penchant for wilting in the playoffs at times, tho. mmm

Montana is #1. People need to get over that.

I think clutch is much more important in the NFL than the NBA, at least with quarterbacks.

Sure, but it isn't the only factor when measuring QB's otherwise, Bart Starr is the G.O.A.T.

Look at the dudes playoffs numbers, for his era, and you tell me.

A case can be made for Lebron > Jordan but I mean...

And what case is that?

That he was dominating the NBA as a 19 year old kid, lived up to the absolutely ludicrous expectations he had, has comparable stats to Jordan, is better at doing more with less, and has actually overachieved in the Finals.

Not that Jordan isn't > Lebron. I'm just saying there's a lot of players where, "a case can be made," but Montana still has the best case.

Most of Manning's playoff losses weren't even his fault.

Literally, Montana's only case is clutch, and 4-0. Brady is also hella clutch, just as many rings, more Superbowl appearances, done more with less, and didn't have the benefit of playing with a truly innovative offense the league never seen before at that point in time, and he had stacked team that won, even after they traded him away. Brady can also run an offense like, very few QB's, if any, sans Manning.

So yeah, Montana's hold on the number 1 spot isn't strong at all, kek.

That he was dominating the NBA as a 19 year old kid, lived up to the absolutely ludicrous expectations he had, has comparable stats to Jordan, is better at doing more with less, and has actually overachieved in the Finals.

He wasn't dominating the NBA at 19. He wasn't the best player until he was what, 23-24? Lived up to expectations? Uh that depends on what those are. Comparable stats? Barely. Did more with less? You're kidding right? He's not doing more with less, he's doing less with less. As far as overachieved in the finals, when? The 73-9 Warriors had no resemblance to their regular season selfs by ever stat imaginable. So he didn't overachieve. And lets say he did for argument's sake. That gets canceled out by his 2011 NBA finals where he stunk up the joint. He can make a case for top 5, even top 2 but not really for #1.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Most of Manning's playoff losses weren't even his fault.

I'm a Manning lover too, tbh. I can't deny that he's not quite made of the stuff Brady and Montana are, but in a way, he's better than both of them.

And Aaron Rodgers is better than all of them.