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^ @Beefy I peaked at your post. If you look more carefully at his stats and the specific games he "choked" in, you'll find that he wasn't actually playing poorly in many of them. He had a run of bad playoff games early in his career, but then afterwards his DVOA/AYPA/etc. were actually superior to Brady's. His playoff win-loss record is even better than Brady's post 2005, lol. Does this mean 2003 Brady > 2010 Brady? Obviously not.

I think "clutch" is partially a matter of luck. Manning and Brady are *better* than Montana in terms of their throwing mechanics, pre-snap adjustments, footwork, etc.

He didn't do more with less.

Montana's playoff stats are better throughout his career.

Not by much, lmao. Brady still has the most playoff wins, yards in the playoffs, TD's, etc. 👆

He went undefeated in the Super Bowl, he's the best.

Yeh. Brady didn't have anywhere near the same amount of HoF as Joe did. Neither did he have pesky free-agency as we know it, majority of the time, to stifle it more-so.

Not by much, lmao. Brady still has the most playoff wins, yards in the playoffs, TD's, etc.

Who cares? Brady has won just as many times. You're not getting rewarded for losing before the big-game. laughing out loud

^ @Beefy I peaked at your post. If you look more carefully at his stats and the specific games he "choked" in, you'll find that he wasn't actually playing poorly in many of them. He had a run of bad playoff games early in his career, but then afterwards his DVOA/AYPA/etc. were actually superior to Brady's. His playoff win-loss record is even better than Brady's post 2005, lol. Does this mean 2003 Brady > 2010 Brady? Obviously not.

I think "clutch" is partially a matter of luck. Manning and Brady are *better* than Montana in terms of their throwing mechanics, pre-snap adjustments, footwork, etc.

The Seahawks game is a perfect example of Manning getting screwed; Montana never faced a defense of that caliber in the superbowl; the NFC was pretty heavily superior at that point. That's not to say Manning played well, but it's not like you can draw a comparison with anything Montana had to face.

Also I'm pretty sure Reggie Wayne ran the wrong route in the Saints' pick six. Otherwise Manning may have brought them back.

Montana went up against great defenses to get to the sbowl. The teams of the 80's were on another level than the teams of today due to the salary cap. Peyton Manning is a choke artist. He always has been. He attached himself to a great defense and played poorly but the defense carried him through in his final year. He also choked against the saints hard and they were hardly a great defense.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Brady and Manning are probably just objectively superior quarterbacks to Montana if you look at their game film.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17078722/andre-iguodala-believes-oklahoma-city-thunder-won-2016-nba-title

Oh please, brady's 2007 super team was better than anything Montana had.

Time and again, Brady has had to deal with teams of make shift talent, and scrub WR corps, and still put up big numbers.

Kinbrell Thompkins anyone? 😂

With the amazing rule changes that but guaranteed every QB from 2005 and on will eventually have better stats that Montana

Nice hyperbole. 👆 Still doesn't take away the more wins, and superior win percentage, or the fact that their efficiency in the playoffs us very darn close. 👆

You're right, you get points counted against you because you lost in 2 big games. Therefore Montana wins.

Nah. All that matters is that they won the same amount of Superbowls, thus, no real advantage.

And yeah, losing in the SB is better than losing in the Championship round, or worst, the divisional one. Because at least you for sure lost to the champs, and not some scrubs before. 😂

I believe losing in the sbowl is worse since you had a team worthy enough to reach the championship round. Also greater number of championships doesn't mean you're better than anyone. If that were the case Michael Jordan wouldn't be universally praised as the best bball player of all time. Dilfer won a sbowl and Marino won 0 would anyone in their right mind claim Dilfer is better ?

Jesus, nice rationalizations solo. Apparently you get points for losing in the superbowl. Brady's 2007 and 2011 teams were better stastically than anything Montana had in every stat. Deal with it or keep trying 😂

LMAO. I never gave out points for losing the SB, but it's better than losing in a earlier for sure, IMO. At the end of the day, they both won the exact same, so why does it matter? No advantage for Joe. 👆

The Patriots defense was pure garbage in 2011. KEK. They were solid/pretty good in 2007, but still inferior to Joe's '89 squad.

Montana's always had at least a solid D work with. If they were superior stat wise, it was because of Tom's superior play on offense, thanks for admitting that. 😂

Way to rationalize from a losing position 😂

Yeah, the only way I'm losing is if we're using Bizzaro lingo. 😂

You've already lost, now you just want to keep on typing.

Nope.
You've failed to counter anything I've said really, KEK.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nope.
You've failed to counter anything I've said really, KEK.

Where are the insults? You guys are boring fuggots.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
LMAO. I never gave out points for losing the SB, but it's better than losing in a earlier for sure, IMO.

Yeah, it seems pretty clear that making it to the superbowl and losing is more impressive than losing in the playoffs.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, it seems pretty clear that making it to the superbowl and losing is more impressive than losing in the playoffs.

Lol.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
wow 30 seconds respond time, amusing. All your points were countered, you just closed your ears and screamed, "i cant hear you". 😂

No, I refuted all of your points, and you ignored every single one of mine.

Tom Brady: More wins, better stats, even when adjusted --- better win percentage, better tangibles, just as many rings, and has done more, with less.

Go home now Beefy; you ass has just been cooked. 👆