Originally posted by aalyasecura95
can you show me where hillary was officially convicted of a crime and sent to prison?
until then, let's stop smearing hillary unnecessarily and demonizing her. same with the bill clinton accusation you just levied..... pretty sure he was never convicted of that either. a conviction doesn't exactly seem to be on the horizon for either bill or hillary at the moment..... so until then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocenceyou far right types seem to conveniently forget about this.....
As a non-American outsider, with a good deal of knowledge over the current election due to my time on the interwebs, love of world news and communication with a ton of Americans, I feel as though my view is based on more objectivity than most Americans. And really... Hillary should logically be the better president.
Both are extremely flawed, both are manipulators, both can be snakes in the grass, but whereas most cons Clinton has can be attributed to Trump, none of her pros can.
She's easily the more experienced and capable politician, at least tries to be more of a relatable people person, has more realistic goals in mind, a more detailed plan, a greater drive to become president, etc.
She's not ideal, she's not optimal, she's not perfect by any means(and I despise some of her and the Clinton administrations decisions), but at the very least she's more grounded, more experienced and more realistic than Donald.
Also, her supporters aren't just mostly white males filled with superiority complexes trying to overcompensate.
That is all just my opinion, though.
Originally posted by MythLord
As a non-American outsider, with a good deal of knowledge over the current election due to my time on the interwebs, love of world news and communication with a ton of Americans, I feel as though my view is based on more objectivity than most Americans. And really... Hillary should logically be the better president.Both are extremely flawed, both are manipulators, both can be snakes in the grass, but whereas most cons Clinton has can be attributed to Trump, none of her pros can.
She's easily the more experienced and capable politician, at least tries to be more of a relatable people person, has more realistic goals in mind, a more detailed plan, a greater drive to become president, etc.
She's not ideal, she's not optimal, she's not perfect by any means(and I despise some of her and the Clinton administrations decisions), but at the very least she's more grounded, more experienced and more realistic than Donald.
Also, her supporters aren't just mostly white males filled with superiority complexes trying to overcompensate.
That is all just my opinion, though.
Originally posted by MythLord
As a non-American outsider, with a good deal of knowledge over the current election due to my time on the interwebs, love of world news and communication with a ton of Americans, I feel as though my view is based on more objectivity than most Americans.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
While I agree with most of what you said, this here is bullshit:Being a foreigner does not give you a better perspective on this election, and I'm a little tired of the foreigners who think that it does. Being an American means viewing and participating in this election with the understanding that we are going to have to deal with its outcome for the next four years, and as such, it's pretty egregious to suggest that not being an American gives you a clearer perspective.
That's correct, actually. mmm
But then again, a good deal of America is either undecided or a Trump supporter, so I don't think they're really considering the pros and cons properly. 😉
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ok...so? They found new alleged evidence, but have no idea whether the evidence is actually relevant or not. This is the same guilty-until-proven-innocent mentality you accuse "SWJ's" of having (notice the trend here?)
Yep, a trend of you saying things that don't make sense. I never said whether these emails will truly prove anything or not.
Like it or not, it's a news story. It could turn out to be something big or it could turn out to be something small or it could be nothing at all. We do not know.
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
can you show me where hillary was officially convicted of a crime and sent to prison? until then, let's stop smearing hillary unnecessarily and demonizing her. same with the bill clinton accusation you just levied..... pretty sure he was never convicted of that either. a conviction doesn't exactly seem to be on the horizon for either bill or hillary at the moment..... so until then:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence
you far right types seem to conveniently forget about this.....
Posts like this just blow my mind. Given the treatment Trump has received from the MSM during this election..for you to be chiding people for unnecessarily smearing and demonizing *her* is amusing.
At this point how can you even doubt that there is corruption within this campaign? People have been fired over some of the stuff we've seen in those videos of them planning to cause violence.
Look at the excuses given for it as well. Bob Creamer, you know the convicted felon who visited Obama many many times at the White House? For which we've still been given no explanation? So he was talking about how they get up to this shady shit as well and it got caught on video. One of the excuses was that it wasn't really true. So you know..this convicted felon apparently decides to randomly talk about untrue hypothetical situations in the middle of a presidential campaign meeting. Normal stuff, right?
So like I said, just to go back to the Bob Creamer thing, even if you ignore the video..he is still a convicted felon who visited Obama many many times(the number was over 100 I believe). We haven't been given an explanation yet. This story broke like 10 days ago, so it's not like it just happened overnight, they've had time. Of course Obama finds the time to make comments about Trump though, weird right?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Creamers conviction seems to be pretty irrelevant. You think he was helping Obama learn to write checks he didn't have the funds for? Oh the corruptions. 🙄
At this point this is just getting silly. A convicted felon visits the White House many times and the reason as to why is irrelevant? Really?
Doing some checking I was wrong it wasn't 100 visits, but 340. So a convicted felon visiting Obama that often is just irrelevant?
Do you think people would find it just as irrelevant if it was Trump who had this happening?
to mythlord: please don't talk down to america as if your the better country and know all the stuff about are elections. we give europe billions of dollars for your free healthcare and college and protect your democracy from putin and russia who would take you over if we were not there. also we saved your ass in the world war against the german people so you should show some respect for our democracy which we gave you from hitler and the nazis......... like i totally respect your opinion but don't try to boss us about that is just rude.
Originally posted by Surturwell a convicted felon visiting obama is not a crime or anything..... and maybe obama doesn't want to disclose all the details from the visits because there is special business that is being discussed that he wants to keep private and personal. i doubt it would effect the election in any way if we knew what was happening. and like i don't think people would fuss if it were trump either because he is a businessman and probably meets with all kinds of people. just like obama meets all types of people as president.
At this point this is just getting silly. A convicted felon visits the White House many times and the reason as to why is irrelevant? Really?Doing some checking I was wrong it wasn't 100 visits, but 340. So a convicted felon visiting Obama that often is just irrelevant?
Do you think people would find it just as irrelevant if it was Trump who had this happening?