Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't give a shit about making women feel good about themselves, that's not why we should elect people into power.We should vote for the person who we expect to do the job best, not vote for someone to spite the patriarchy or whatever.
If we want true equality, we need to get rid of the us and them mentality, and electing someone because they aren't male doesn't do that, it just perpetuates sexism.
Plus if you vote for someone SOLELY based on gender you are discriminating against any male opponents. You are saying you don't want them because they have a dick.
It's irrelevant if someone is doing it to "empower" someone, that doesn't magically make it okay.
People don't understand that it's not equality if you want a female president..just because we've never had a female president before.
We've never had someone with no real political experience become president either, where are these people to hope for THAT first time?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Voting for a woman because she's a woman isn't sexist, Dmb you're being a dummy. You aren't voting against a man because he's a man, you're voting for a woman because it'll be empowering to women if she gets elected. That isn't sexist, no one is being discriminated against.It's pretty much the exact opposite of sexism. 😬
What the f**k? What an utterly retarded statement.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't give a shit about making women feel good about themselves, that's not why we should elect people into power.We should vote for the person who we expect to do the job best, not vote for someone to spite the patriarchy or whatever.
If we want true equality, we need to get rid of the us and them mentality, and electing someone because they aren't male doesn't do that, it just perpetuates sexism.
Of course you don't, because you're a man and you have the privilege of not having to worry about this stuff. Unfortunately, half of the human race lacks this privilege. So they do give a shit about it.
No, you should vote for the person who will produce the greatest amount of good with their ascendancy. Performing the job is just a factor of that. To some people, the positivity of a female president is an important factor worth considering alongside their other attributes.
No it doesn't. There is no us or them mentality at play here other in the ways you're making it to be so. Nobody is disempowered by electing a female president. You aren't taking anything away from men, you're empowering women and promoting equality. This isn't a fight unless you make it one.
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
lol why do you take my words so ****ing literally? i say "sexism debt" and you assume i mean money and ask whether i have received a check in the mail. now you're taking my use of "nobody" fully literally. [b]obviously there are people like feminists who do point these things out and try to get them out there but very few people who are white male and priveleged complain about these things and always use double standards. when i say "nobody", i'm obviously referring to the people who always try to say that feminists feel "entitled" when all men have been "entitled" for a very long time. [/B]
You still aren't quite grasping this though. You can't say because men have been entitled..women should be entitled. That doesn't make any sense and HOW does it stop entitlement to merely switch off on who is entitled?
Wouldn't we be better off making sure nobody is entitled? Do you honestly care about this country or are you just concerned with "evening the score" with men? This is why I laugh when feminists like you say they care about equality. You really truly don't.
If you were alive in 1865 when slavery ended would you have been saying "well now it's time for white people to be slaves for a while" ?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course you don't, because you're a man and you have the privilege of not having to worry about this stuff. Unfortunately, half of the human race lacks this privilege. So they do give a shit about it.No, you should vote for the person who will produce the greatest amount of good with their ascendancy. To some people, the positivity of a female president is an important factor worth considering alongside their other attributes.
No it doesn't. There is no us or them mentality at play here other in the ways you're making it to be so. Nobody is disempowered by electing a female president. You aren't taking anything away from men, you're empowering women and promoting equality. This isn't a fight unless you make it one.
Please continue to post on this matter.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course you don't, because you're a man and you have the privilege of not having to worry about this stuff. Unfortunately, half of the human race lacks this privilege. So they do give a shit about it.No, you should vote for the person who will produce the greatest amount of good with their ascendancy. To some people, the positivity of a female president is an important factor worth considering alongside their other attributes.
No it doesn't. There is no us or them mentality at play here other in the ways you're making it to be so. Nobody is disempowered by electing a female president. You aren't taking anything away from men, you're empowering women and promoting equality. This isn't a fight unless you make it one.
This is some hang yourself worthy material. Women are the most privileged people in society. Shut this shit up.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This is some hang yourself worthy material. Women are the most privileged people in society. Shut this shit up.
We need to do some kind of foreign exchange program where we send feminists to countries with actual rape cultures and patriarchies and stuff. They'd be begging to come back here within hours.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't give you permission to speak with me, scum.
Originally posted by Surturlol... so you're saying that just because there are worse patriarchies than the US then that means that the US shouldn't be fixed? US is one of the better countries with womens rights but that doesn't mean it isn't a patriarchy because it definitely is.... there are still many problems with america with womens rights
We need to do some kind of foreign exchange program where we send feminists to countries with actual rape cultures and patriarchies and stuff. They'd be begging to come back here within hours.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course you don't, because you're a man and you have the privilege of not having to worry about this stuff. Unfortunately, half of the human race lacks this privilege. So they do give a shit about it.No, you should vote for the person who will produce the greatest amount of good with their ascendancy. To some people, the positivity of a female president is an important factor worth considering alongside their other attributes.
I am a Christian, and I see the way the world is going. I see more and more people shitting on Christianity and religious people in general as time goes on and that disturbs me. At the same time, whenever I see a candidate who wants my vote because they're religious, or says they should be elected because they'll preserve religious freedom, or wants my vote because it will empower Christianity in america, that disgusts me.
I feel like part of my identity is threatened, but I'm not gonna elect someone into office just to empower that identity or whatever, that's dumb and its not true equality.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it doesn't. There is no us or them mentality at play here other in the ways you're making it to be so. Nobody is disempowered by electing a female president. You aren't taking anything away from men, you're empowering women and promoting equality. This isn't a fight unless you make it one.
Originally posted by Surturwell was my definition of fascism totally wrong....? fascism is defined by nationalism/racism and wanting to suppress freedoms..... which is what trump and his supporters want. if not fascism then definitely close to it.Have you truly read about history or are you just going by what you learned in your gender studies class?
Originally posted by Surturyou are comparing the wage gap and sexism to the flat earth, something which is 100% disproven by expert scientists . many economists are divided over the wage gap and sexism still so there is debate and there are many studies out there which confirm it... i doubt you'd find some scientifically reviewed and trustworthy papers on a flat earth....
People deny that the Earth is flat too. I wonder why they do that?
Originally posted by Surturagain taking my words literally as ****. obviously people know sexual assault exists but people like you try to pretend it isnt a big problem when it obviously is and one of the biggest issues of sexism in are times
So we pretend sexual assault is not a thing? I can't figure out how so many women have been able to get men in trouble by lying about rape if we pretend sexual assault doesn't exist.
and did you say women lie about rape....? like omfg.
Originally posted by Surturno hillary clinton has always sided with womens rights. please look up her china speech when she set the record straight on women's rights..... also yes she was doing her job and theres no way around that. when you've found a high paying job it is natural human nature to just do the job.
Did you know Hilary Clinton helped defend a man who raped a 12 yr. old girl? Even though she believed he was guilty?No, do not come back at me with "she was just doing her job". Where was her sensitivity then? Can you answer that? Where was her sensitivity when she went after all the women who accused her husband of sexual misconduct? This is the same woman who said women have a right to be believed.
Originally posted by Surturwell obviously it is a "should" because they are not currently 'repaying' that debt right now, when they should be. that doesnt mean to make things unequal but to listen to women and bring about true equality... stop trying to spin that as if its bad...There is no figurative sexism debt either though. Saying men SHOULD pay some kind of intangible debt to women doesn't actually mean there is a debt.
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
well was my definition of fascism totally wrong....? fascism is defined by nationalism/racism and wanting to suppress freedoms..... which is what trump and his supporters want. if not fascism then definitely close to it.
So, college education is as bad as that, nowadays?