Originally posted by Emperordmbshe has been working non-stop for years on the issues she cares about... i'd say that she'd be a pretty decent figure for women to be proud of. she's hardly perfect but who is?
Also honestly, if Hillary were the first female president, that'd be an embarrassment for women.
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
lol... so you're saying that just because there are worse patriarchies than the US then that means that the US shouldn't be fixed? US is one of the better countries with womens rights but that doesn't mean it isn't a patriarchy because it definitely is.... there are still many problems with america with womens rights
Man that is one confused patriarchy that gives women more lenient sentences for violent crimes. It's especially confusing that women seem to be believed over men most of the time in a patriarchy.
I won't even begin to try to wrap my head around the fact that in this patriarchy people are more indifferent about female violence against males than male violence against females.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, you should vote for the person who will produce the greatest amount of good with their ascendancy. Performing the job is just a factor of that. To some people, the positivity of a female president is an important factor worth considering alongside their other attributes.
mhmm
That is a good point actually.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Some white people dont get into college because a college wants to meet some weird diversity quota and lets someone in just because they're a racial minority. That sounds like prejudice, and it's having a notable impact on someone's life so there's clearly power involved too. The idea that discrimination can't exist against non-minorities is a ****ing joke.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Hopefully, after the swamp is drained, America becomes a fascist state and Trump repeals the right for women to vote.
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
well was my definition of fascism totally wrong....? fascism is defined by nationalism/racism and wanting to suppress freedoms..... which is what trump and his supporters want. if not fascism then definitely close to it.
I'm just genuinely wondering where you picked up your knowledge. It's like part history and part propaganda with you.
you are comparing the wage gap and sexism to the flat earth, something which is 100% disproven by expert scientists . many economists are divided over the wage gap and sexism still so there is debate and there are many studies out there which confirm it... i doubt you'd find some scientifically reviewed and trustworthy papers on a flat earth....
I'm comparing one thing that isn't true(the earth being flat) to another thing that isn't true(a wage gap).
again taking my words literally as ****. obviously people know sexual assault exists but people like you try to pretend it isnt a big problem when it obviously is and one of the biggest issues of sexism in are times
You see I know that sexual assaults still happen, so since we haven't eradicated them I feel it is pointless to needlessly exacerbate a situation by making it seem like much worse than it actually is.
Aids exists, it's still a problem. Does that make it any less wrong if I were to say 90% of Americans will contract aids at some point in their life? Would it mean I do not care about aids victims if someone else said that and I said they were wrong?
and did you say women lie about rape....? like omfg.
Was there supposed to be some kind of coherent thought here? Yes, women do lie about rape. Yes, not all of them receive punishment for it, and yes even when their lies resulted in someone else spending time in jail.
Funny thing is I didn't see women complaining over those lenient sentences. Weird, right?
no hillary clinton has always sided with womens rights. please look up her china speech when she set the record straight on women's rights..... also yes she was doing her job and theres no way around that. when you've found a high paying job it is natural human nature to just do the job.
So just to be clear: she has always sided with women's rights..unless she could make some money by not siding with women's rights?
Well that surely makes the situation somehow better.
well obviously it is a "should" because they are not currently 'repaying' that debt right now, when they should be. that doesnt mean to make things unequal but to listen to women and bring about true equality... stop trying to spin that as if its bad...
So me saying that trying to fix inequality with more inequality is a bad idea is me "spinning" it?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm a little flabbergasted that the position that electing someone on the basis of their gender is sexist is being looked at as illogical/backwards/incorrect/uncompelling.
Now you can kinda see why the way some people are handling the election results is bugging me.
It's one thing to be upset, but instead we have all entered Bizarro World where up is down and left is right.
I guarantee you if someone said they voted for Trump based on his gender they'd be called sexist and misogynists. But when women do it..it's not discrimination it's empowerment.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Remember all the positivity when Obama became president? No? Well there you go. Nobody's situation improved. Everything just stayed the same.
Well, there was certainly a lot of positivisty initially, but otherwise sure. No one is saying that electing Hillary would necessarily change things, but I could see why some people would vote for her thinking it would.
Originally posted by Surtur
I guarantee you if someone said they voted for Trump based on his gender they'd be called sexist and misogynists. But when women do it..it's not discrimination it's empowerment.
That might have to do with the little fact that we’ve had 43 male presidents and no female ones. Just a thought.
Originally posted by ares834
Well, there was certainly a lot of positivisty initially, but otherwise sure. No one is saying that electing Hillary would necessarily change things, but I could see why some people would vote for her thinking it would.That might have to do with the little fact that we’ve had 43 male presidents and no female ones. Just a thought.
But you realize it's hypocritical..even if we'd had 400 male presidents.
If voting based solely on gender is sexist then I'm sorry but..it's sexist all the way around.
Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, it's irrelevant what causes it.
Originally posted by Surturexcept that the wage gap has not been proven false and is up for debate with many supporting and some against..... there is not one reputable scientist accepting the flat earth and no scientists which debate it. you're comparing two COMPLETELY different things. you can only say the wage gap is false based on your own sexist beliefs because there are many experts who confirm that the wage gap is a thing. it's still up for debate whereas flat earth isn't. flat earth is 100% proven false and is confirmed false by experts and accepted false by everyone else. invalid comparison.I'm comparing one thing that isn't true(the earth being flat) to another thing that isn't true(a wage gap).
Originally posted by Surturyou say that you know that sexual assaults happen as if that makes things all okay.... but then say women lie about rape. you're kind of just proving your sexism here... you know that there is sexual assaults and rapes but you just call women liars and ignore it. so kind of proving my point about sexism in this country.
You see I know that sexual assaults still happen, so since we haven't eradicated them I feel it is pointless to needlessly exacerbate a situation by making it seem like much worse than it actually is.Aids exists, it's still a problem. Does that make it any less wrong if I were to say 90% of Americans will contract aids at some point in their life? Would it mean I do not care about aids victims?
Yes, women do lie about rape.
Originally posted by Surturin government she has always supported womens rights and she has improved life for women greatly in this country. one mistake does not make her entire career invalid and most of the bad things she has apparently done are either twisted or lies created by republican biased media.
So just to be clear: she has always sided with women's rights..unless she could make some money by not siding with women's rights?Well that surely makes the situation somehow better.
Originally posted by Surturum. i want to fix inequality by listening to women and accepting that sexism is a thing and implementing policies which focus on women's rights and setting a focus on that for the next few years. that would create equality because women are already behind men when it comes to rights.
So me saying that trying to fix inequality with more inequality is a bad idea is me "spinning" it?
Originally posted by Surtur
But you realize it's hypocritical..even if we'd had 400 male presidents.If voting based solely on gender is sexist then I'm sorry but..it's sexist all the way around.
Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, it's irrelevant what causes it.
Why do you waste your time? It's a subjective argument, just an appeal to emotion.
Originally posted by aalyasecura95
except that the wage gap has [b]not been proven false and is up for debate with many supporting and some against..... there is not one reputable scientist accepting the flat earth and no scientists which debate it. you're comparing two COMPLETELY different things. you can only say the wage gap is false based on your own sexist beliefs because there are many experts who confirm that the wage gap is a thing. it's still up for debate whereas flat earth isn't. flat earth is 100% proven false and is confirmed false by experts and accepted false by everyone else. invalid comparison.
It's not sexist beliefs to acknowledge there is an earnings gap, not a wage gap.
you say that you know that sexual assaults happen as if that makes things all okay.... but then say women lie about rape. you're kind of just proving your sexism here... you know that there is sexual assaults and rapes but you just call women liars and ignore it. so kind of proving my point about sexism in this country.
You've got to be messing with me, right? I said some women have lied about rape. Are you saying that has never happened? Because I'm certainly confused. I never said every single woman who says she was raped was a liar.
So the fact you feel that proved any type of point is why I have asked you if you learned all this garbage in some gender studies course. You're behaving exactly like these braindead feminists behave.
in government she has always supported womens rights and she has improved life for women greatly in this country. one mistake does not make her entire career invalid and most of the bad things she has apparently done are either twisted or lies created by republican biased media.
Nobody said it makes her entire career invalid. But..you've been acting like Hilary has always been some champion for women.
You say in government she always supported women's rights? Oh really? Okay, so she never was against gay marriage? That kind of walks all over the rights not only of gay men but..of lesbians as well. Which last I checked are female.
Would you care to reword what you just said or are you going to give us another excuse for why that is okay?
um. i want to fix inequality by listening to women and accepting that sexism is a thing and implementing policies which focus on women's rights and setting a focus on that for the next few years. that would create equality because women are already behind men when it comes to rights. [/B]
In this very topic you said since men have been entitled for so long women should now get some of that. You do realize that if you want to create equality that wouldn't involve any one gender having special privileges? You also realize I am not the only one who has seen you say these things?
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Could we please stop talking about the election? Donald won yay or nay. The People voted. It's done. We shall see the fruit borne of our actions in the years to come. For now tho? Let's just go back to the other bullshit we talked about before.
I guess this is true. Plus I feel like I'm trying to break through a 10 foot thick steel wall with just my bare hands.