Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Damn, we enraged the LGBT, druggies, and minorities.
You act as if the LGBT community just makes up its victim status, and hasn't statistically been one of the more virulent targets for hate crimes, bullying and discrimination of any minority group in history.
What you don't understand is that there are millions of real people living here who have legitimate reason to fear that either Trump is going to deport them, or their supporters are going to go after them - many of these are legal immigrants.
And even if we overlook that, Trump's positions on climate change are utterly disastrous - but you wouldn't know that, given your utter ignorance of anything scientific. That you couldn't understand my point about employing the scientific method with regards to the Plagueis novel was one of the most dumbfounding things I've ever seen - I literally tried to explain the most basic philosophical underpinning of modern society to you for seven pages, and you still couldn't grasp it. Embarrassing.
I'm not saying no one thought it was stupid, but rather there is now a sudden surge of outrage over it by people who wouldn't protest it if Clinton would have won.
Trump did, in 2012. He said the electoral college was a disaster for democracy.
In either case, do you have a real argument to make that isn't an appeal to motive?
How's your response to Vader vs Revan going, by the way? 😂
My argument was highly technical, and given that you have the mathematical and scientific aptitude of a redneck, I don't want to spend another five pages dumbing things down for you, like I usually do.
Really? We should just have mob rule? The majority of people are f*cking stupid. That's the truth of it. You have the stereotypical hillbilly who couldn't find Syria on a map, and you have the millennial who advocates for "democratic-socialism" yet they couldn't explain what socialism is if asked.
I love Jefferson. Such an ingenious system.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
You act as if the LGBT community just makes up its victim status, and hasn't statistically been one of the more virulent targets for hate crimes, bullying and discrimination of any minority group in history.What you don't understand is that there are millions of real people living here who have legitimate reason to fear that either Trump is going to deport them, or their supporters are going to go after them - many of these are legal immigrants.
And even if we overlook that, Trump's positions on climate change are utterly disastrous - but you wouldn't know that, given your utter ignorance of real life.
Legal immigrants should not be fearful. Trump will only deport illegal immigrants.
He will put tougher restrictions on immigration, but I haven't heard he's going to deport legal immigrants.
Trump did, in 2012. He said the electoral college was a disaster for democracy.In either case, do you have a real argument to make that isn't an appeal to motive?
Right. Trump should have protested it before the 2012 election then.
Likewise for you in this election. 👆
My argument was highly technical, and given that you have the mathematical and scientific aptitude of a redneck, I don't want to spend another five pages dumbing things down for you, like I usually do.
Originally posted by EmperordmbHe's just young. Part of being a kid is having a narrow world-view; once he becomes an adult and becomes a contributing member of society he'll look back on these posts and cringe.
I feel bad for him honestly. He must be dealing with some seriously negative shit in his life to motivate him to try and become the God of KMC
We've all gone through it. I've been posting here on and off for almost 11 years.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Legal immigrants should not be fearful. Trump will only deport illegal immigrants.
And what about children of illegal immigrants?
Just like your idiotic porn star point, you can't actually come up with a first principles reason for why we should fear peaceful undocumented children studying in university aside from an is-ought fallacy of "that's the law" (DAPA is the law too...).
Likewise, I know plenty of legal immigrants who've experienced harassment in the past few days from Trump supporters like yourself just because they had darker skin tones. Sadly, you and the rest of the low-end of the gene pool are allowed to vote.
He will put tougher restrictions on immigration, but I haven't heard he's going to report legal immigrants.
And you don't think tougher restrictions are going to hurt people trying to stay in this country?
In either case, the fact that you think it's a good thing that the primary driving force for the United States in its history is being restricted due to evolutionarily ingrained tribalistic instincts is just comical.
Right. Trump should have protested it before the 2012 election then.
Strangely the same double standard about selectively complaining applies to you and Trump as well. I never see you calling out Trump for refusing to pay workers, making up conspiracy theories about vaccines and autism, or refusing to pay taxes. mmm
Likewise for you in this election. 👆
It's like you read "appeal to motive fallacy" but then completely ignore it because it was a point about a logical principle too complex for someone whose primary ability is to copy-paste text onto respect threads. 🙄
Yawn.We all know I'm destroying your ass on it. I've talked to people who said they raised Revan above Darth Vader after following the debate (three people come to mind immediately, but I'm sure there's even more). You should concede and bend the knee. 👆
I'm sure you've "talked to people", while Plagueis has been raised above Vitiate and, in one person's words to me, I "won, and finished what Gideon started". 👆
In either case, I'll should probably finish what I started, despite my reservations with dealing with a pretty despicable individual.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
And what about children of illegal immigrants?Just like your idiotic porn star point, you can't actually come up with a first principles reason for why we should fear peaceful undocumented children studying in university aside from an is-ought fallacy of "that's the law" (DAPA is the law too...).
Saying "that's the law" isn't a fallacy (actually, it probably is, since seemingly everything is), lmfao.
So yes, because it's the law. 👆
And you don't think tougher restrictions are going to hurt people trying to stay in this country?In either case, the fact that you think it's a good thing that the primary driving force for the United States in its history is being restricted due to evolutionarily ingrained tribalistic instincts is just comical.
They'll have to get over it.
Strangely the same double standard about selectively complaining applies to you and Trump as well. I never see you calling out Trump for refusing to pay workers, making up conspiracy theories about vaccines and autism, or refusing to pay taxes. mmm
I condone all of those actions. 👆
It's like you read "appeal to motive fallacy" but then completely ignore it because it was a point about a logical principle too complex for someone whose primary ability is to copy-paste text onto respect threads. 🙄
Lmfao, what volume of "Encyclopedia of Fallacies" do you and Neme have?
I'm sure you've "talked to people", while Plagueis has been raised above Vitiate and, in one person's words to me, I "won, and finished what Gideon started". 👆
In either case, I'll should probably finish what I started, despite my reservations with dealing with a pretty despicable individual.
You're going to lose horribly, but it's all the better if you try. 👆
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
To clarify, the electoral college was specifically considered by the Founding Fathers to be a check on the people. The Founding Fathers recognized the easily changing and uneducated view of the American public, and thus instituted the electoral college to counter that. I find it laughable that people now want to get rid of the electoral college because they were unsatisfied with the results. If they had an issue with the electoral college, it should have been addressed before the election.
Critique regarding the electoral college has been around for quite long. Surveys dating back to 1944 show that a constant majority of Americans want to get rid of the electoral college for various reasons:
a) All votes cast for the minority are essentially ignored and hence worthless. ("Winner takes it all"😉
b) Different numbers of voters each of the electors represents ranging from roughly 187,000 (Wyoming) to 680,000 (California).
c) The candidate who gets more votes can still lose (as happened this year). This has been a point of critique last time in 2000, when the same happened to Al Gore vs George W. Bush.
Furthermore, the notion that candidates would have to campaign in all fifty states (which is the case if the electoral college is abolished for popular vote) would be virtually impossible and extremely expensive. It would completely destroy any chance of a non-establishment or rich man running if they would have to get the funds for something as unprecedented as that (it's also worth noting that many of the main people who support that are (recent) immigrants - just saying).
The notion that, in the age of mass media, somebody needs to physically campaign anywhere is utterly hilarious. In fact, all Presential campaigns are essentially burning huge amounts of money for nothing. But then, I'm a German. So I do find the idea of voting for the candidate who puts up a better show rather distasteful (at least since 1933). Thankfully, you can vote for candidates and parties here and even split those votes. Yet, all those votes get recognized ("Ueberhangmandate"😉.
Edit:
And, of course, part of the critique is, that candidates focus their political agenda on issues mattering in the swing states, rather than on all people (e.g.: continuation of space programs, which might be important for the NASA and hence voters in Florida).
the electoral college definitely needs to be abolished as it is clearly biased and unfair. many people who voted hillary now feel like there vote has been wasted and demand change. america actually rejected the sexism and racism and were ignored because the swing states basically call the shots in electoral college system and they chose trump over clinton and screwed america. with electoral college abolished there will need to be attention given to everyone and so no one will feel left out and the fate of america wont be down to a handful of states who arent perfect at decision making as we have seen in this election