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Originally posted by |King Joker|
I didn't say the intricacies of sex, I said the intricacies of human sexuality, which is different. And honestly, I was more thinking about just a brief section in a class where the teacher clarifies misconceptions about homosexuality -- misconceptions such as it being a "choice" and whatnot. I also don't understand why everyone is seeming to think I want five-year-olds to be taught this stuff; I don't, this is more of a matter for middle school and certainly high school, ages where sexuality is actually relevant and kids should be mature enough to comprehend the issue (not that homosexuality is that complicated anyways in and of itself, but I digress). Also, if anyone here actually gives a shit about LGBT people, which I doubt but whatever, health classes shouldn't limit safe-sex talks to just heterosexual relationships, because, shockingly, gay people actually exist and have sex too. Everyone likes to mention HIV / disease rates for gays, so of course, you people would be in favor of bringing that down by talking about practicing safe sex in homosexual relationships in a high school class, correct? 🙂

Human sexuality is a more relevant and pervasive topic I believe, and it has a biological basis for discussion.

Maybe your kid likes to **** people of the same gender dude, so who knows, maybe these hypothetical classes would have really helped them out. And anyways, like I said, I'm not advocating for an "acceptance" class, I'm advocating for education on human sexuality which would clear up misconceptions regarding gays and lesbians -- misconceptions that reinforce ignorance and a dislike for the LGBT community.

Personally my line would be at the transgender stuff. I don't want my kid learning about why johnny feels like a woman on the inside and wants to switch his penis for a va jay jay, at school. Others may have no problem with that and would go even further, while others might not want even hetero sex Ed taught in schools.

I can tell you're really passionate about this, and I respect that. We probably disagree on details, but I think the base of the cause you're fighting for is a good thing. But to be brutally honest, I don't think educating people is going to have as big of an impact on peoples thoughts on these subjects as I feel u think it will.

Alot, and I mean alot of people hate for no reason at all, and no amount of education is ever going to change that. U said in a earlier post a that alot of people don't understand homosexuality because they are ignorant. I disagree. I think most do understand it, but simply don't like it because of religious, personal, philosophical etc.. beliefs, and/or think they have the right to legislate peoples personal lives because they're basically assholes.

If it was simply just ignorance, education would be a perfect solution. But I'm afraid the problem is much more difficult than that and a much tougher hill to climb.

I wish u all the luck in the world, u seem to want to genuinely help people, which is rare. So no matter what me or anyone else says keep fighting for what u believe in, and anyone who tells u different can go **** themselves.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
What the **** does 'opinion' mean in the context of this? A pure, unadulterated 'opinion' on LGBT people? There's no room for opinion on this issue, there's fact, and I'd much rather not encounter some retarded child who has a negative opinion of me right off the bat because of what he's been fed by his main source of information, his peers. Teaching kids in school about the diversity of humans and the intricacies of human sexuality are absolutely necessary in order for ignorance about the issue to be disspelled. That's not to say I want the education to be a "GAY IS OKAY" forcefeed course, but just talking honestly about LGBT people and the facts regarding them harms literally no one and prevents kids from forming possibly negative stereotypes in their head about LGBT.

Hard as it may be to believe, ignorance isn't actually conductive to anything. And there is a distinction between facts and propaganda.

We're are also behaving as if everyone in school are straight, they are not, and funnily enough some gay people might personally benefit from learning about themselves, wild.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Would u also be in favor of instituting classes for Muslim acceptance, Jewish, Asian , overweight, midgets, mixed race families etc... all of them? I'm sure they would help those groups. But how much of my kids actual education am I willing to sacrifice for every other groups cause in the world? Short answer is, when it comes to my kid, not much.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
What the **** does 'opinion' mean in the context of this? A pure, unadulterated 'opinion' on LGBT people? There's no room for opinion on this issue, there's fact, and I'd much rather not encounter some retarded child who has a negative opinion of me right off the bat because of what he's been fed by his main source of information, his peers. Teaching kids in school about the diversity of humans and the intricacies of human sexuality are absolutely necessary in order for ignorance about the issue to be disspelled. That's not to say I want the education to be a "GAY IS OKAY" forcefeed course, but just talking honestly about LGBT people and the facts regarding them harms literally no one and prevents kids from forming possibly negative stereotypes in their head about LGBT.

What the **** are you talking about? You need to get your ideas straight sweetie, first saying there's no room for 'opinion' and then saying you hate people having a negative 'opinion' of you right off the bat. Which one is it? Because there certainly is room for opinions in this topic. The idea that the way you live is sinful and against God, but that they'll love you anyway is an opinion. The idea that gender dysphoria is a mental disability is an opinion, and unfortunately for you, neither of these can be countered by fact. Merely claiming your stance is fact because you can't actually defend it yourself doesn't make it fact 😬

You also seem to - despite still being in school - have absolutely no idea how the education system works. You're claiming you want teaching to occur that is simply just 'these people exist', but act like people's opinions won't still be formed by their peers around them. In this scenario, you're starting a debate in the Children's peer group which will essentially be decided by children who don't have access to all the information or life experiences that most people need to understand and accept the LGBTQ community. You'll be essentially creating an echo chamber for the children to spout their parent's opinions and further align with them. In the case of LGBTQ acceptance, that will change nothing, as the children would already be exposed to them. In the case of individuals who discriminate, you're essentially allowing them to subconsciously drill into their minds that their parents viewpoints are acceptable because no one is there to counter them.

So no, your strategy of teaching doesn't work. The only way you can teach that leads to a more open society is to preach, which is fundamentally against all liberal values, and even that accomplishes very little.

It's really not a hard concept to grasp that the classroom is not the place for discussions like this. Not everything can be solved by a series of lectures, Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
So, Beni thinks that people who like dick, while having a dick, are incapable of getting that across. Too stupid I guess. Always had you pegged for a homophobe. Must be all that self hate.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This may shock you, but schools actually teach you about religion, obesity, medical conditions etc.

Can't tell if you meant to imply that being LGBTQ is similar to being life-threateningly fat or having a medical condition...

Well I can safely say that after many years of observation, I can tell that you are stupid. 🙁

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well I can safely say that after many years of observation, I can tell that you are stupid. 🙁

It takes you many years of observation to tell someone's intelligence?

Must be a hard life. Though to be fair, I guess the difficulty in observation is next to nothing compared to the sub sixth grade reading level you display by still failing to use the correct version of 'your' and 'you're' 🙂

#triggered

your a ***

#triggered

Originally posted by Selenial
What the **** are you talking about? You need to get your ideas straight sweetie, first saying there's no room for 'opinion' and then saying you hate people having a negative 'opinion' of you right off the bat. Which one is it? Because there certainly is room for opinions in this topic. The idea that the way you live is sinful and against God, but that they'll love you anyway is an opinion. The idea that gender dysphoria is a mental disability is an opinion, and unfortunately for you, neither of these can be countered by fact. Merely claiming your stance is fact because you can't actually defend it yourself doesn't make it fact 😬

Originally posted by Selenial
You also seem to - despite still being in school - have absolutely no idea how the education system works. You're claiming you want teaching to occur that is simply just 'these people exist', but act like people's opinions won't still be formed by their peers around them.

Originally posted by Selenial
In this scenario, you're starting a debate in the Children's peer group which will essentially be decided by children who don't have access to all the information or life experiences that most people need to understand and accept the LGBTQ community.

Originally posted by Selenial
So no, your strategy of teaching doesn't work. The only way you can teach that leads to a more open society is to preach, which is fundamentally against all liberal values, and even that accomplishes very little.

Originally posted by Selenial
It's really not a hard concept to grasp that the classroom is not the place for discussions like this. Not everything can be solved by a series of lectures, Jesus Christ.

@Raptor, I'll respond to you later today

Yeah, I agree with Joker. The idea here isn't to force kids to be gay, love gay people or accept gay people; the idea is for them to understand them. I know first-hand what ignorance about homosexuality can cause. For context: I'm from Serbia where the majority(around 70%) are fine with someone being gay/bi/trans as long as it isn't shown anywhere other than behind closed doors. Over 50% believe being openly gay/bi is a danger to society and over 70% believe it to be a disease. Approximately, 1/5th of the Serbian population is actually fully opened to the idea of seeing two men or women even holding hands.
Their primary reason for thinking this is due to falty education. I go to one of the medical High Schools in Serbia and, thankfully, our schools present homosexuals for what scientifically are. Yet the two other Medical Schools completely misinform the public and a sociological study on Serbia noted the following:
"Generally, all the interviewed stakeholders agreed that the educational system is not ready to deal with the human rights of the LGBT persons. Furthermore, fighting the discrimination in schools is not among the strategic goals of the Ministry of Education and is not in the goals of the Framework Action plan for the Prevention of Violence in educational facilities"
" In addition, there is no proper sexual education in primary schools, especially in the field of sexual orientation and gender identity. According to the Trans Gayten representative, the situation is the same even at the Universities where, similarly, medical workers are not educated about LGBT issues."

-- Study on Homophobia, Transphobia and Discrimination on Grounds of Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, Sociological Report: Serbia

It's due to these reasons that people believe homosexuality is purely an illness, one you can choose to cure yourself from. It's neither an illness nor a choice: it's just a deviation from the average human being.
This is one of the reasons why I(a closet bisexual) and a friend of mine(an open Lesbian) are afraid for our freakin' lives each day, especially her since she's open about it. Whereas I keep my secret behind lock and key because even people who deem themselves my "friends" have argued that it is a toxic threat to society.
It's also one of the reasons both she and I struggle with depression. And for what? So some cuck can live his fantasy that all families are perfect and nuclear? Because some imbeciles who never properly talked to or even tried to understand what it means to be in my position, think I have a choice and/or am just sick?
Most of the reasons why a lot of people hate gays/bis in Serbia is, and I know this from experience, because they aren't properly introduced to the concept.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
school is for education

she needed a reminder

that she did ❌

Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, I agree with Joker. The idea here isn't to force kids to be gay, love gay people or accept gay people; the idea is for them to understand them. I know first-hand what ignorance about homosexuality can cause. For context: I'm from Serbia where the majority(around 70%) are fine with someone being gay/bi/trans as long as it isn't shown anywhere other than behind closed doors. Over 50% believe being openly gay/bi is a danger to society and over 70% believe it to be a disease. Approximately, 1/5th of the Serbian population is actually fully opened to the idea of seeing two men or women even holding hands.
Their primary reason for thinking this is due to falty education. I go to one of the medical High Schools in Serbia and, thankfully, our schools present homosexuals for what scientifically are. Yet the two other Medical Schools completely misinform the public and a sociological study on Serbia noted the following:
"Generally, all the interviewed stakeholders agreed that the educational system is not ready to deal with the human rights of the LGBT persons. Furthermore, fighting the discrimination in schools is not among the strategic goals of the Ministry of Education and is not in the goals of the Framework Action plan for the Prevention of Violence in educational facilities"
" In addition, there is no proper sexual education in primary schools, especially in the field of sexual orientation and gender identity. According to the Trans Gayten representative, the situation is the same even at the Universities where, similarly, medical workers are not educated about LGBT issues."

-- Study on Homophobia, Transphobia and Discrimination on Grounds of Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, Sociological Report: Serbia

It's due to these reasons that people believe homosexuality is purely an illness, one you can choose to cure yourself from. It's neither an illness nor a choice: it's just a deviation from the average human being.
This is one of the reasons why I(a closet bisexual) and a friend of mine(an open Lesbian) are afraid for our freakin' lives each day, especially her since she's open about it. Whereas I keep my secret behind lock and key because even people who deem themselves my "friends" have argued that it is a toxic threat to society.
It's also one of the reasons both she and I struggle with depression. And for what? So some cuck can live his fantasy that all families are perfect and nuclear? Because some imbeciles who never properly talked to or even tried to understand what it means to be in my position, think I have a choice and/or am just sick?
Most of the reasons why a lot of people hate gays/bis in Serbia is, and I know this from experience, because they aren't properly introduced to the concept.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, I agree with Joker. The idea here isn't to force kids to be gay, love gay people or accept gay people; the idea is for them to understand them. I know first-hand what ignorance about homosexuality can cause. For context: I'm from Serbia where the majority(around 70%) are fine with someone being gay/bi/trans as long as it isn't shown anywhere other than behind closed doors. Over 50% believe being openly gay/bi is a danger to society and over 70% believe it to be a disease. Approximately, 1/5th of the Serbian population is actually fully opened to the idea of seeing two men or women even holding hands.
Their primary reason for thinking this is due to falty education. I go to one of the medical High Schools in Serbia and, thankfully, our schools present homosexuals for what scientifically are. Yet the two other Medical Schools completely misinform the public and a sociological study on Serbia noted the following:
"Generally, all the interviewed stakeholders agreed that the educational system is not ready to deal with the human rights of the LGBT persons. Furthermore, fighting the discrimination in schools is not among the strategic goals of the Ministry of Education and is not in the goals of the Framework Action plan for the Prevention of Violence in educational facilities"
" In addition, there is no proper sexual education in primary schools, especially in the field of sexual orientation and gender identity. According to the Trans Gayten representative, the situation is the same even at the Universities where, similarly, medical workers are not educated about LGBT issues."

-- Study on Homophobia, Transphobia and Discrimination on Grounds of Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, Sociological Report: Serbia

It's due to these reasons that people believe homosexuality is purely an illness, one you can choose to cure yourself from. It's neither an illness nor a choice: it's just a deviation from the average human being.
This is one of the reasons why I(a closet bisexual) and a friend of mine(an open Lesbian) are afraid for our freakin' lives each day, especially her since she's open about it. Whereas I keep my secret behind lock and key because even people who deem themselves my "friends" have argued that it is a toxic threat to society.
It's also one of the reasons both she and I struggle with depression. And for what? So some cuck can live his fantasy that all families are perfect and nuclear? Because some imbeciles who never properly talked to or even tried to understand what it means to be in my position, think I have a choice and/or am just sick?
Most of the reasons why a lot of people hate gays/bis in Serbia is, and I know this from experience, because they aren't properly introduced to the concept.

But yeah, as I said turns out ignorance isn't conducive to anything, and better that people formulate opinions based on the facts, rather than without them.

LMAO

Originally posted by |King Joker|
school is for education.

@Raptor, I'll respond to you later today

Lol. I must be getting old. In my day, high school at least, was for getting high in the bathroom, and getting handjobs in the band room during study hall. My how things have changed.

Saving the best for last. I ike it.