The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by MythLord3,287 pages
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Good for them. Doesn't change the fact that important details of a character being altered will often upset longtime fans like the Joker being portrayed as a tatooed gangster when in the comics he finds people like that to be laughable.

Yeah, but here's the thing: that's changing a part of Joker's core character. Joker isn't just any edgy insane lunatic, he's a charmer with class and poise. Yeah he's insane, but he's a tasteful kind of insane that often borders on a tamed nihilism.

Which is why Jared Leto did an awful job. However, if you change the colour, sexuality or gender of a character... well that doesn't matter. Unless, of course, that's a core aspect of the character. If, say, Pearl was turned into a heterosexual character in an adaption that would suck since her love for Rose is a core part of the character. If Luke Cage goes from black to white then that doesn't make sense since his background is very race-related and it's a core part of his character. If someone like Wolverine suddenly became gay that'd also wouldn't make much sense.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I don't have to work out anything Wolf. I have no issue with either race or sexuality. I take issue with people adapting stories not doing all in their power to be accurate to the original source material. If I disliked either diversity in race or sexuality I never would have bothered reading the Dark Tower let alone have it be my favorite series.

I'm glad. This then really shouldn't bother you.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Because adaptions are supposed to be accurate to the original source material. Sometimes they're not whether that be due to limitations of budget or technology and this I can accept. When they actively seek to alter details for no apparent reason other then "diversity" I'm going to be mad.

Like I said, if the core aspect of the character is there then that doesn't matter. The thing that made the Ancient One so appealing is his wisdom, knowledge and ability to teach. The Ancient One in the MCU is also exactly like that, only a woman. And so I forget that she's a woman.

You have to be flexible with this sh!zz, honestly. I didn't see the film so I cannot comment, but was the character being portrayed by a black actor still true to the core principles of the original? Did he act like the original would act? Did he interact and react as the original would have? If so, there's no biggy. If he didn't, well that's another problem altogether.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
that bad huh? you must be very embarrassed then. 🙁

What do you want me to say here? :/

I already told you I made a joke in response to a troll post. You can call me a racist/sexist for that all you want but it only proves my point about people like you going on and on about personal freedoms but, contradictingly, wanting to suppress free speech.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
What do you want me to say here? :/

I already told you I made a joke in response to a troll post. You can call me a racist/sexist for that all you want but it only proves my point about people like you going on and on about personal freedoms but, contradictingly, wanting to suppress free speech.

alright alright, just tell me this. when you went to see TFA did you have to walk out before the end, or did you bring an inhaler?

Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, but here's the thing: that's changing a part of Joker's core character. Joker isn't just any edgy insane lunatic, he's a charmer with class and poise. Yeah he's insane, but he's a tasteful kind of insane that often borders on a tamed nihilism.

Which is why Jared Leto did an awful job. However, if you change the colour, sexuality or gender of a character... well that doesn't matter. Unless, of course, that's a core aspect of the character. If, say, Pearl was turned into a heterosexual character in an adaption that would suck since her love for Rose is a core part of the character. If Luke Cage goes from black to white then that doesn't make sense since his background is very race-related and it's a core part of his character. If someone like Wolverine suddenly became gay that'd also wouldn't make much sense.

I'm glad. This then really shouldn't bother you.

Like I said, if the core aspect of the character is there then that doesn't matter. The thing that made the Ancient One so appealing is his wisdom, knowledge and ability to teach. The Ancient One in the MCU is also exactly like that, only a woman. And so I forget that she's a woman.

You have to be flexible with this sh!zz, honestly. I didn't see the film so I cannot comment, but was the character being portrayed by a black actor still true to the core principles of the original? Did he act like the original would act? Did he interact and react as the original would have? If so, there's no biggy. If he didn't, well that's another problem altogether.

Yes.

Roland's skin color isn't a core aspect of the character but it is an important aspect of the plot of the story.

It does bother me and it always will. If I love a story I want the details of said story to be accurate.

I'm sorry. A character's sex/gender ( whatever you want to call it since I know you people always like to change definitions of words ) is a key factor that contributes to their personality and the way they behave in general. I didn't care that much about the change in the movie because I've never read Dr. Strange but if I had and I'd come to enjoy the character then I likely would have been upset at the change for those reasons.

Idris Elba ( the actor ) was the best part of the movie.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
alright alright, just tell me this. when you went to see TFA did you have to walk out before the end, or did you bring an inhaler?

I did walk out to go to the bathroom while they were sneaking onto the base. Does that count?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Yes.

Roland's skin color isn't a core aspect of the character but it is an important aspect of the plot of the story.

It does bother me and it always will. If I love a story I want the details of said story to be accurate.

Well, if it was an integral part to the story, then yeah it sucks they changed it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm sorry. A character's sex/gender ( whatever you want to call it since I know you people always like to change definitions of words ) is a key factor that contributes to their personality and the way they behave in general. I didn't care that much about the change in the movie because I've never read Dr. Strange but if I had and I'd come to enjoy the character then I likely would have been upset at the change for those reasons.

Not really. Gender and sex usually don't influence personality that much, honestly.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Idris Elba ( the actor ) was the best part of the movie.

Then either he did a good job and you're complaining about nothing, or the movie really sucked. I'm guessing the latter.

Originally posted by MythLord
Well, if it was an integral part to the story, then yeah it sucks they changed it.

Not really. Gender and sex usually don't influence personality that much, honestly.

Then either he did a good job and you're complaining about nothing, or the movie really sucked. I'm guessing the latter.

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The latter.

Granted I thought Idris did a good job regardless.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
DMB. I really don't care about politics enough to ever devote time to studying why Beni is such a cuck.

Then just call it a left-wing agenda, which it is, instead of a liberal agenda, which it isn't.

U a libtard aren't you. :>

I am a liberal yes, not a neoprogressive.

This subsection never fails to amuse me.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
This subsection never fails to amuse me.

Fated... Will you ever be on Hangouts? I have loads'o'sh!t to tell ya about.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Then just call it a left-wing agenda, which it is, instead of a liberal agenda, which it isn't.
stop using the wrong labels syn. uhuh

Originally posted by MythLord
Fated... Will you ever be on Hangouts? I have loads'o'sh!t to tell ya about.

Yeah, sure. Sorry.

I've just been enjoying these restful couple of days lately.

Disconnected for a bit lol

Ah, good for you then. By no means, you don't have to rush for me, lol.

Enjoy yourself, sweetie. 🙂

Originally posted by Raptor22
I agree only if it's a fundamental part of the character or story.

Like Luke cage for example. If they made him a white guy that would be bs. Him being black is an integral part of his character. If they wanted to make him gay, that would be different. I could care less because that wouldn't change the essence of who Luke cage is. Luke has always been a minority looking out for the underprivileged. Make him white and he is no longer that anymore.

On the flip side u have red skul. U can't have him be a black dude before his face is transformed. Being a white Nazi is the core of his character.

Other examples would be Perry white and kingpin. Michael Clark Duncan played kingpin and that was no problem in my eyes. Being white isn't a core component of kingpins character. Being massive and physically intimidating are, and Duncan encapsulates that perfectly.

I agree that it isn't that big of a deal if it isn't an integral part of their character, but I still would prefer if they tried to stick to the canon as much as possible. Like, for me, even tiny inconsistencies such as Luminara Unduli's lightsaber not having the gold plating on the pommel in "Cloak of Darkness" in TCW really bothers me lol, so I think for some people such as myself it's just a consistency thing with canon.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Then just call it a left-wing agenda, which it is, instead of a liberal agenda, which it isn't.

Can't tell what's more ironic, you patronising someone for labelling incorrectly after calling political correctness 'left wing', or... wait, no, yeh, that's the ironic part 🙂

Originally posted by Selenial
Can't tell what's more ironic, you patronising someone for labelling incorrectly after calling political correctness 'left wing', or... wait, no, yeh, that's the ironic part 🙂

👆, tbh.

Originally posted by Selenial
Can't tell what's more ironic, you patronising someone for labelling incorrectly after calling political correctness 'left wing', or... wait, no, yeh, that's the ironic part 🙂
DMB is a literal SJW. 👆