The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by The Lost

Why do you keep on inviting me when I said I was done? It won't happen. You're not well-intentioned. The "substance" of your arguments. That is... fairly loose terminology to you, isn't it? You claimed I was outdated on the science but are arguing for a biological angle for race like it's the early twentieth century. Like, there are several reasons why this isn't going to work. I don't have the patience to argue unscientific shit.

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Lol you have like the weakest spine of anyone I've ever seen. I was expecting some of these amazing arguments of yours but instead you bow out because I said "concession accepted" and didn't care for your figure of speech in a petty syntactical discussion that was quickly clarified and had nothing to do with the overall debate. Furthermore, after I repeated my position to you a dozen times you still seem to think that saying race isn't a perfect categorization system somehow refutes your own admission that you can draw predictive data from even a self-reported metric, and that this fact has nothing to do with even genetics, but rather basic statistics. You also completely ignored all my questions on g and intelligence because I strongly suspect you don't know what that actually is. What's worse, you initiated the hostilities by sniping me with Neph for no apparent reason (look through the history: this happens before anything done by me).

But, concession accepted. Now go scurry away. 👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol you have like the weakest spine of anyone I've ever seen. I was expecting some of these amazing arguments of yours but instead you bow out because I said "concession accepted" and didn't care for your figure of speech in a petty syntactical discussion that was quickly clarified and had nothing to do with the overall debate. Furthermore, after I repeated my position to you a dozen times you still seem to think that saying race isn't a perfect categorization system somehow refutes your own admission that [b]you can draw predictive data from even a self-reported metric, and that this fact has nothing to do with even genetics, but rather basic statistics. You also completely ignored all my questions on g and intelligence because I strongly suspect you don't know what that actually is. What's worse, you initiated the hostilities by sniping me with Neph for no apparent reason (look through the history: this happens before anything done by me).

But, concession accepted. Now go scurry away. 👆 [/B]

Nope, gone through the rounds with plenty. You're just practically intolerable to speak to. You didn't "not care" for it. It straight up might as well not have existed to you so you could flaunt yourself. I just think you're an all-around shitty dude to talk to. I ignored it because I bowed out. I know about the g factor, among other things, but made the conscious decision to wash my hands of you, for the last time.

No, of course it happens before anything done by you. You'll have to excuse me while I go back to Wikipedia Warrioring and being "behind on the research" (legit hilarious, with the shit you ended up posting). If only you edited fast enough, huh?

Yep, like I said, can't handle that someone just thinks you're intolerable. You chalk it up to them not knowing how to respond to you. See? Another reason why I should remain out of this gong show with you.

Have your final response. It's the '05er in you that requires it so you can cement your "victory."

Let's summarize for everyone's benefit:

1. The Lost initially claimed that race is a "social construct". Now, he admits that scientists still occasionally use race as a variable because it's useful for things like large scale studies, but that there are better criteria like ethnicity. In other words, he's conveniently shifted the goalposts from "race is a social construct" to "race isn't as useful as it could be or once was".

2. The Lost claimed that race is a social construct because there is lots of genetic variation within Africa. How this ties into race being a social construct at all...I don't know? He didn't bother to respond so it'll just remain a mystery.

3. Despite being repeatedly told that racial groups don't have to be perfect for there to be meaningful statistical correlations between them, and that indeed you can draw meaningful data from all sorts of colloquial classifications, The Lost...well, didn't respond to this point either.

4. The Lost complains about races being on too much of a gradient but then uses ethnicity, which is even more massively on a gradient.

5. After making the bold claim that groups which were selected differently for skin color, height, muscle tone, bone structure, ear size and a bunch of other random criteria had no differential selection for non-physical traits, when pressed with specific academic questions about the nature of differences in g The Lost decided to conveniently bow out.

6. The Lost got angry because I didn't appreciate his figure of speech, and despite it being quickly cleared up in two brief exchanges, decides to use this syntactical clash as some sort of case for dismissing my entire argument.

7. After deciding to insult me on wrong allegations about me on threads he never actually read (before his "figure of speech" victim), The Lost gets angry and indignant when I say mean things about him back.

8. After refusing to address 90% of my argument and spending more time circlejerking about me in the third person than actually debating, The Lost decides to leave the debate because I used the phrase "concession accepted" and said something in latin, his promise of "crushing" me clearly unfulfilled as we laugh at him.

This, my friends, is how not to have a discussion. 👆

How do you people have the energy to do this all day long?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those are the "cognitive traits" you argued could be measured genetically in a thread you made arguing that races aren't "innately equal" in cognitive traits.

Come on. 😬

Also you PM'd me first to ***** that I was being unfair to you.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol you have like the weakest spine of anyone I've ever seen. I was expecting some of these amazing arguments of yours but instead you bow out because I said "concession accepted" and didn't care for your figure of speech in a petty syntactical discussion that was quickly clarified and had nothing to do with the overall debate. Furthermore, after I repeated my position to you a dozen times you still seem to think that saying race isn't a perfect categorization system somehow refutes your own admission that [b]you can draw predictive data from even a self-reported metric, and that this fact has nothing to do with even genetics, but rather basic statistics. You also completely ignored all my questions on g and intelligence because I strongly suspect you don't know what that actually is. What's worse, you initiated the hostilities by sniping me with Neph for no apparent reason (look through the history: this happens before anything done by me).

But, concession accepted. Now go scurry away. 👆 [/B]

You'll then cowardly say the other guy is terrible and it doesn't matter. You're a blatant and utter hypocrite. You don't have the balls to face me in a judged debate you previously accepted. You ARE A COWARD. Make no mistake you're spineless and a liar by your own words and deeds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wekest spine oh the irony. You've accepted how many debates against posters to just go M.I.A. You'll later pop in and act like it never occurred or it doesn't matter. Those are debates you've given your word you'll take part in. Your word doesn't mean much but I doubt you lack any sort of moral compass to point north.

You'll then cowardly say the other guy is terrible and it doesn't matter. You're a blatant and utter hypocrite. You don't have the balls to face me in a judged debate you previously accepted. You ARE A COWARD. Make no mistake you're spineless and a liar by your own words and deeds.

OK, I'll respond to you this one time, buddy. If you seriously want to debate me on Sidious vs. Snoke, PM me saying "I'm sorry I started randomly harassing you in unrelated threads for no reason, here I'm doing what I should have done and politely ask you to do so. I recognize that you probably are a busy person in real life and so "bowing out" of a debate on fictional characters a year ago probably had more to do with that than "cowardice". So can we discuss the terms and conditions please?"

If you do that, I'll be happy to debate you. If you give another justification for why as a guy in his thirties you're jumping on 10 different threads to personally insult me for not debating you on movie vs., you're going on ignore.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How do you people have the energy to do this all day long?

Puff up in public, whine in private. He's been doing that since his first account.

Just when I thought we were making up... 😖

Wow, between The Lost and quanchi Ellimist has become a double amputee, its really quite sad to see one fall so far, so quickly. Even Neph is mocking him now.

That's just life I guess. 🙁

Originally posted by The Ellimist
OK, I'll respond to you this one time, buddy. If you seriously want to debate me on Sidious vs. Snoke, PM me saying "I'm sorry I started randomly harassing you in unrelated threads for no reason, here I'm doing what I should have done and politely ask you to do so. I recognize that you probably are a busy person in real life and so "bowing out" of a debate on fictional characters a year ago probably had more to do with that than "cowardice". So can we discuss the terms and conditions please?"

If you do that, I'll be happy to debate you. If you give another justification for why as a guy in his thirties you're jumping on 10 different threads to personally insult me for not debating you on movie vs., you're going on ignore.

My age has nothing to do with anything. I'm a very happy, immature, petty and extremely vengeful man who will continue to be the way I am throughout the journey of my glorious life. If you agree to this we can set the stipulations and begin immediately or when you're able.

What say you ?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Just when I thought we were making up... 😖

Also, I just realized who you are. Spotted the tells. Took a while though, so that's good. You're growing up, kid 😉

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Hey I'm cool to. But that is something you do.

Also, I just realized who you are. Spotted the tells. Took a while though, so that's good. You're growing up, kid 😉

You're getting old, you had already been told who I was like a year ago, lol.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I want to debate you in the battlezone you previously accepted with the Kelvin trilogy vs. the Ot trilogy. Secondly I've already stated that since Azronger refused my stipulations to wait until the DVD release to post clips I'd rather wait until the trilogy completes to do any battlezone featuring Snoke just to be sure. You accepted that Trek/Wars challenge and gave your word you'd see it through. Your word should matter to you. You have an obligation to carry the debate through since you agreed to do so already.

My age has nothing to do with anything. I'm a very happy, immature, petty and extremely vengeful man who will continue to be the way I am throughout the journey of my glorious life. If you agree to this we can set the stipulations and begin immediately or when you're able.

What say you ?

Clearly I should value a battlezone thread about Star Trek and Star Wars over my personal life, and my agreement to do a debate more out of pity because nobody else will even respond to you is a binding contract. 👆

In either case, I'm being generous by giving you one last chance. Heck, I'll even lower the odds a little: just send me a polite PM apologizing for harassing me and asking to do the debate, and I'll seriously consider it. But if you don't wanna, you're going on ignore and the only person who actually responds to you is no more. 👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Clearly I should value a battlezone thread about Star Trek and Star Wars over my personal life, and my agreement to do a debate more out of pity because nobody else will even respond to you is a binding contract. 👆

In either case, I'm being generous by giving you one last chance. Heck, I'll even lower the odds a little: just send me a polite PM apologizing for harassing me and asking to do the debate, and I'll seriously consider it. But if you don't wanna, you're going on ignore and the only person who actually responds to you is no more. 👆 [/B]

Will you redeem yourself and prove yourself in a judged debate. Posturing is easy but I'm willing to put myself on the line to show you how competent I can be in a battlezone. You incorrectly believe my immediate responses are similar to how I will execute my arguments in a judged debate. I won't just respond quickly some times with numerous spelling errors and autocorrected words from my treacherous iPad. I'll take the time to proofread while I'll back up my main points with links and various other sources to support my claims.

Come on this won't take long. I'll even sweeten the pot with stakes attached to the results of the debate. If you win I won't ever attack you personally for the lifetime of kmc or I will stay away from the Star Wars section of kmc for three months. Your choice. If I win you have to accept my Snoke vs. Sidious thread after the DVD release of episode nine if you're still on the forum and Azronger/Gideon continues to refuse.

On ignore you go. 👆

As predicted, The Lost posted precisely nothing substantial to back the claim that Race is a social construct. He had to find out the hard way that just because Race could be better defined by scientists doesn't mean that groups can't experience a difference in physical/phycological traits at birth. And that averages taken from said groups still makes meaningful data.

Oh well. Water is wet and blacks still have an average IQ of 85. Which better explains their general lower status in the west as oppose to discrimination.

Oh my God...

Oh yeah, Ellimist is the invisible Luke guy!

I forgot about that.

Who?

He was on here as another account but he lost the password or something.

There was this silly debate where he was arguing Luke could turn invisible and assasinate Sheev and everyone started makin fun of him so he left the forum.

Lmao can't tell if it's your memory or your honesty that's getting rusty.