Originally posted by |King Joker|
Can someone lay out why Season 7 is awful without giving away spoilers? Like, just be vague in your explainations, lol.I just finished Season 4, by the way. The quality of the show seems to be relatively consistent so far.
A lot of people think Season 7 was rushing things to the finale and it hadn't been properly paced.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
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Originally posted by |King Joker|How would you feel if I told you seven is actually much better than five and six, despite also being bad?
Can someone lay out why Season 7 is awful without giving away spoilers? Like, just be vague in your explainations, lol.I just finished Season 4, by the way. The quality of the show seems to be relatively consistent so far.
Originally posted by The.D0minatorhttps://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1462/97/1462974524999.jpg
6 > 5 > 7, there is literally no argument against that
Joker and anyone else who hasn't watched season five, I'd highly advise you not to click this link.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
don't worry, she's just as dumb and crazy in the show. 90% of circe's plans have either failed outright or backfire terrifically. The only reason she's still standing is because she was lucky enough to have everyone that she loves around her pay for her shenanigans in her place.
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Not in Season 7. I'll admit, S7 served to butcher parts of her character that made her interesting, namely her flaws, but you can't deny she ran rings around Daenerys and Tyrion.She starts a war with less than 1/5th of her enemies troops and in crippling debt, but schemes and sacrifices to the point where her forces have doubled, her enemies have been crippled and she's secured the financial backing of the largest bank in the world? I'd call that a success, tbh.
Originally posted by SelenialSpoiler:
Not in Season 7. I'll admit, S7 served to butcher parts of her character that made her interesting, namely her flaws, but you can't deny she ran rings around Daenerys and Tyrion.She starts a war with less than 1/5th of her enemies troops and in crippling debt, but schemes and sacrifices to the point where her forces have doubled, her enemies have been crippled and she's secured the financial backing of the largest bank in the world? I'd call that a success, tbh.
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Yeah but it seems like a lot of her successes were rushed and contrived against idiots, as if there were some omnipotent creator-deity writing her story or something. She also kinda threw it all away by refusing to help against the white walkers for some reason.
Originally posted by The EllimistSpoiler:
Yeah but it seems like a lot of her successes were rushed and contrived against idiots, as if there were some omnipotent creator-deity writing her story or something. She also kinda threw it all away by refusing to help against the white walkers for some reason.
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The nigh effortless sack of Highgarden and Euron commandeering the Flying Dutchman, for example.
Originally posted by The EllimistSpoiler:
Yeah but it seems like a lot of her successes were rushed and contrived against idiots, as if there were some omnipotent creator-deity writing her story or something. She also kinda threw it all away by refusing to help against the white walkers for some reason.
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Oh agreed, but that’s just the shoddy season 7 writing. I disagree with the White Walkers though, her gamble is strategically exactly what a rational person would do. If 100,000 men and 2 dragons can’t hold off the army of the dead, 10,000 (at best) Lannisters won’t do diddly squat. She’s ****ed once they come back as well, unless they’re weaker than she is comparatively. Leaving her men in tact and letting them get weaker is the right play. They’re not exactly going to forgive her crimes.@Temp: agreed with Euron. Disagree with Highgarden though. Hated it when it happened because of the lack of exposition, but I think having it done fast makes more sense in the method (aside from how Highgarden is done as a castle). In the show universe Randyll’s been expressing hatred of the female Tyrells for a long time, and Highgarden falling is a perfect reflection of the fact that Tywin eviscerated Castamere in a few hours, because a brutal retaliation and a crumbling of support was never expected.
Originally posted by SelenialSpoiler:
Not in Season 7. I'll admit, S7 served to butcher parts of her character that made her interesting, namely her flaws, but you can't deny she ran rings around Daenerys and Tyrion.She starts a war with less than 1/5th of her enemies troops and in crippling debt, but schemes and sacrifices to the point where her forces have doubled, her enemies have been crippled and she's secured the financial backing of the largest bank in the world? I'd call that a success, tbh.
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She didn't do anything. Euron's teleporting, military-satellite intel possessing mega-fleet ran circles around Tyrion and Daenarys.And the scheme (fighting against Dany instead of bending the knee and fighting the White Walkers) is going to backfire and end with her death. So, by the end of the show the only game she'll have ever won was blowing up the church and becoming the last one standing in King's Landing.
Originally posted by TzeentchSpoiler:
She didn't do anything. Euron's teleporting, military-satellite intel possessing mega-fleet ran circles around Tyrion and Daenarys.And the scheme (fighting against Dany instead of bending the knee and fighting the White Walkers) is going to backfire and end with her death. So, by the end of the show the only game she'll have ever won was blowing up the church and becoming the last one standing in King's Landing.
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Have you read the books? If so, I don't see why you're complaining about the teleporting. Martin addresses that.It could backfire and end with her death, maybe. That's the point of a gamble. If she didn't do what she did, she dies anyway, or at least lives poor. Ask Robert Baratheon what happens to previous monarchs if you want to secure your throne. Ask Tywin, Jaime or Robert what happens to babies of previous dynasties. Cersei's actions were perfectly rational, the fact you can't see that is more a testament to your own lack of intelligence than hers.
I don't give a single ****ing shit about the books. We're discussing the show.
Even if we assume that her plan was "necessary" (it's not) it doesn't change the fact that the direct consequence and end-result of that plan is her death. Her goal is to retain power of Westeros and she's going to fail to achieve that.
