The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I don't give a single ****ing shit about the books. We're discussing the show.

Even if we assume that her plan was "necessary" (it's not) it doesn't change the fact that the direct consequence and end-result of that plan is her death. Her goal is to retain power of Westeros and she's going to fail to achieve that.

Well he makes it perfectly clear that timelines are fine, the books are just not always in order. The show writers say the same thing, Bryan Cogman has talked about it before and says it's a pacing issue, and I feel like it's rather abundant that slightly skewed timescales, condensed at certain points, is much more preferable to watching a character spend 8 episodes on a journey and then dominate the final two.

Duly noted that you think a chance of death and 100% confirmed death are essentially the same thing. Tell you what, I'll pop to America and fire a gun randomly into the air, then you can jump in front of a train just in case the bullet hits you 🙂

The show has always had awful pacing, with armies and fleets teleporting to wherever the writers need them to. It cheapens the narrative and in the case of Cersei is just exacerbates the fact that she's a total writers-pet.

Originally posted by Selenial
Well he makes it perfectly clear that timelines are fine, the books are just not always in order. The show writers say the same thing, Bryan Cogman has talked about it before and says it's a pacing issue, and I feel like it's rather abundant that slightly skewed timescales, condensed at certain points, is much more preferable to watching a character spend 8 episodes on a journey and then dominate the final two.

Duly noted that you think a chance of death and 100% confirmed death are essentially the same thing. Tell you what, I'll pop to America and fire a gun randomly into the air, then you can jump in front of a train just in case the bullet hits you 🙂

Spoiler:
Gendry makes it back to the Wall, a raven makes its way back to Daenerys, and Daenerys proceeds to fly her dragon all the way past the Wall to save Jon and friends who have been huddled together surrounded by an army of Wights and White Walkers. It is asinine to even entertain the notion that they were there for much more than a day without dying of Frostbite, yet all of this happened during this period.

Furthermore, in less than a week (explicit timeframe given by the Iron Bank directly after Cersei deals with the prisoners Euron brought her) Euron fed his men, had them re-equipped after their defeat of Yara's fleet, brought them from the Red Keep westward (and right past Dragonstone btw, how exactly did he sneak his fleet past Daenerys' fleet and, more importantly, her dragons? Why can he bring his entire armada to the red keep and out with impunity?), brought them south past the southern tip of the continent, then west past the western tip, then brought them north all the way to Casterly Rock. Once again, in less than a week.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah, the timelines blow.

Spoiler:
Gendry makes it back to the Wall, a raven makes its way back to Daenerys, and Daenerys proceeds to fly her dragon all the way past the Wall to save Jon and friends who have been huddled together surrounded by an army of Wights and White Walkers. It is asinine to even entertain the notion that they were there for much more than a day without dying of Frostbite, yet all of this happened during this period.

Furthermore, in less than a week (explicit timeframe given by the Iron Bank directly after Cersei deals with the prisoners Euron brought her) Euron fed his men, had them re-equipped after their defeat of Yara's fleet, brought them from the Red Keep westward (and right past Dragonstone btw, how exactly did he sneak his fleet past Daenerys' fleet and, more importantly, her dragons? Why can he bring his entire armada to the red keep and out with impunity?), brought them south past the southern tip of the continent, then west past the western tip, then brought them north all the way to Casterly Rock. Once again, in less than a week.

Spoiler:
Actually, the first one isn't a timeline issue. Like you say, them not dying of hypothermia is the issue. The laws of physics help us establish a timeline in that instance though with the freezing of the lake, which would take a substantial amount of time to freeze in those conditions enough to carry an army of the dead. Gendry's the wildcard there, but as far as I know we don't know how close the lake was to the wall so it could work.

The Iron fleet one is semi ****ed though, I'll admit. It was two weeks though, not one, and as I mention, there's not actually anything to suggest Cersei immediately went to confront the Iron Bank after Euron's delivery of the slaves. For all we know, it had been several days. What's to say he hadn't already started the journey as well? Genuine questions here, maybe I'm wrong.

imagine thinking cersei is actually smart in the show, and not simply protected by PIS and shit writing

imagine lacking the comprehension to realise everyone saying she’s grown more intelligent has admitted it’s only due to shit writing

imagine insinuating i lack comprehension when you misread my entire post

Finished Book 2 of Avatar The Last Airbender.

Man, what an awesome episode to end a season on. Seeing Azula manipulate the Dai Li in order to take over Ba Sing Se, reminiscent of the imperial bureaucracy in ancient China, was a joy to watch.

My favorite characters:

Azula
Toph
Suki
Iroh

Originally posted by Selenial

Spoiler:
Actually, the first one isn't a timeline issue. Like you say, them not dying of hypothermia is the issue. The laws of physics help us establish a timeline in that instance though with the freezing of the lake, which would take a substantial amount of time to freeze in those conditions enough to carry an army of the dead. Gendry's the wildcard there, but as far as I know we don't know how close the lake was to the wall so it could work.

The Iron fleet one is semi ****ed though, I'll admit. It was two weeks though, not one, and as I mention, there's not actually anything to suggest Cersei immediately went to confront the Iron Bank after Euron's delivery of the slaves. For all we know, it had been several days. What's to say he hadn't already started the journey as well? Genuine questions here, maybe I'm wrong.

Spoiler:
I just refuse to believe that they genuinely intended for the lapse in time to be more than a week because, if so, the writing is even more awful than if Daenerys, the raven, and Gendry being able to break the sound barrier. That would just be an oversight from simple-minded writers. Actually having Jon and the boys sit on a little island for weeks with no food (IIRC) surrounded by the army of the dead is braindead. The lake freezing more quickly is fairly easily explained by the presence of multiple White Walkers (it should have frozen back up in minutes at most tbh). Though there is nothing justifying them not just killing Jon's crew from a distance, given that later in the episode we see that the Night King can throw a javelin with the kinetic energy of a .50 caliber anti-material rifle.

Are you sure it was two weeks? I remember the timeframe given being half a fortnight. And I'm nearly positive that Cersei explicitly attending her meeting with the Iron Bank directly after her handling of the sneks. There might be a time lapse between when Euron delivered the prisoners and when Cersei bamboozled the sneks, but given the circumstances I can't imagine it would have been long, and Euron would have still had to restock on supplies to feed and arm his men, before going on his trip literally around and to the other side of the continent (and once again right past Daenerys, with her somehow none the wiser lmao).

Originally posted by Kurk
Finished Book 2 of Avatar The Last Airbender.

Man, what an awesome episode to end a season on. Seeing Azula manipulate the Dai Li in order to take over Ba Sing Se, reminiscent of the imperial bureaucracy in ancient China, was a joy to watch.

My favorite characters:

Azula
Toph
Suki
Iroh

Originally posted by NemeBro
In a hypothetical romantic relationship between Azula and Raven, who is emotionally and/or sexually dominant iyo?

Suki would be a confidante b4 Azula tbh.

you completely misread the question

Originally posted by NewGuy01
you completely misread the question

🙂

Originally posted by Kurk
and disturbed by the question referring to homosexuality.

Why?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why?

NemeBro's question was pretty random.

Originally posted by Kurk
Azula I could see experimenting with Ty Lee

Started reading the Bane trilogy; not sure why people think it's poorly written. Definitely not Stover quality, but for sure much better better than Dark Disciple.

It gets worse as it goes. Not that it ever gets as bad as Dark Disciple.

PoD is actually not bad, it's RoT and DoE that are the offenders.