Yea anyways.. I think even having a trial for this guy is a mockery of our judicial system, just like having the Nuremberg trials were a mockery then and will always be remembered. Everybody knows what this guy did, there should be no trial. There's no insanity defense because it was premeditated. Put the guy in Gitmo and forget about him.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonI've talked to a lot of people about capital punishment and the two main arguments I hear are 1.) doesn't that make the executioner a murderer who should also die, and 2.) isn't it a better punishment to let them rot in jail.
I agree to some extent, one being that if they're already willing to die or are expecing it, send them to prison.
To the first I always end up facepalming. To the second I say: screw that man, we're killing them. That's a great punishment already. I don't want to waste all those tax dollars and fill up a prison just because he might think that's worse. F*ck it, hang the guy and let's all go out to Bennigans.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I've talked to a lot of people about capital punishment and the two main arguments I hear are 1.) doesn't that make the executioner a murderer who should also die, and 2.) isn't it a better punishment to let them rot in jail.To the first I always end up facepalming. To the second I say: screw that man, we're killing them. That's a great punishment already. I don't want to waste all those tax dollars and fill up a prison just because he might think that's worse. F*ck it, hang the guy and let's all go out to Bennigans.
The first argument is a typical "I'm a liberal douchebag" argument that requires a double facepalm. It usually goes with "two wrongs don't make a right".
THe second argument makes sense in only cases like this, which are the minority. Criminals go to jail to do drugs, join gangs, and kill. The best punishment for capital offenders is death. Capital offenders that are either suicidal or have a death wish(radical muslims), are a better fit for our prisons.
And yes, Bennigans is a great place to celebrate an execution well done.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I still prefer execution for all capital offenders, radical, suicidal or not. I care less for punishment and "rehabilitation" than I do for removing a problem permanently and saving money.
The only thing we disagree on is the concept of punishment. I think in 99% of the cases, the death penalty is the correct punishment in a capital offense. However, there's that other 1% of suicidal people. For instance, a failed suicide bomber? I'm all for the firing squad or slitting his throat, but I think an equally painful punishment would be to throw him into general population of a supermax prison and watch the fireworks.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I'd rather give rapists a second chance at being good little boys. 25 years behind bars at 2 meals a day with castration as the punishment for breaching their parole in any way. Any follow-up incidents and they're tortured to death.
I need to gather data but I believe rapists and molesters are repeat offenders for the most part. Giving them a second chance is debatable.
Damn you guys and your surprisingly awesome conversation!
And also surprisingly I agree with Douchington. Personally I put Rapists above killers in the Evil Heirarchy. Murder can serve a purpose, and often its a spur of the moment thing, still intensly evil don't get me wrong, but a rapist does what he does becuase he's a sick psychopathic **** who enjoys what he does and feels no remorse. Utterly unredemable.
Torture him I say. But never let him die.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonThat would make for an amusing show. Possibly revive the Colosseum, use the revenue from it to offset the costs of the prisoners.
The only thing we disagree on is the concept of punishment. I think in 99% of the cases, the death penalty is the correct punishment in a capital offense. However, there's that other 1% of suicidal people. For instance, a failed suicide bomber? I'm all for the firing squad or slitting his throat, but I think an equally painful punishment would be to throw him into general population of a supermax prison and watch the fireworks.
Originally posted by NephthysShhh, you bring morality in to the scene and suddenly it becomes boring.
Damn you guys and your surprisingly awesome conversation!And also surprisingly I agree with Douchington. Personally I put Rapists above killers in the Evil Heirarchy. Murder can serve a purpose, and often its a spur of the moment thing, still intensly evil don't get me wrong, but a rapist does what he does becuase he's a sick psychopathic **** who enjoys what he does and feels no remorse. Utterly unredemable.
Torture him I say. But never let him die.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
[B]That would make for an amusing show. Possibly revive the Colosseum, use the revenue from it to offset the costs of the prisoners.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Damn you guys and your surprisingly awesome conversation!And also surprisingly I agree with Douchington. Personally I put Rapists above killers in the Evil Heirarchy. Murder can serve a purpose, and often its a spur of the moment thing, still intensly evil don't get me wrong, but a rapist does what he does becuase he's a sick psychopathic **** who enjoys what he does and feels no remorse. Utterly unredemable.
Torture him I say. But never let him die.
Eh yes and no. When you talk about murder that's a "spur of the moment thing", that's not the type of murder we're discussing. We're talking about premeditated murder, you're talking about voluntary/involuntary manslaughter and at most, Murder 2(depraved indifference). I wouldn't put rapists above capital murderers but according to prison codes, prisoners do exactly that.