The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Lord Lucien3,287 pages

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Ah yes, anyone who doesn't agree with homosexuals is a bigot. That's like saying anyone who doesn't agree with Obama is racist! You moronic liberals argue with emotion and no common sense. Discrimination is illegal just like free speech is absolute. You keep your shit to yourself and you can be a tranny for all anybody cares.
Wurd.

You are all missing the point: Other provisions on this bill were giving concessions to illegal immigrans. THAT was defeated with this vote, and THAT was the big victory here.

What kind of concessions?


Democrats included the repeal provision in a $726 billion defense policy bill, which authorizes a pay raise for the troops among other popular programs. In a deal brokered with the White House, the measure would have overturned the 1993 law banning openly gay service only after a Pentagon review and certification from the president that lifting the ban wouldn't hurt troop morale.
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Reid agreed to force a vote on the bill this week and limit debate, despite Republican objections. A Nevada Democrat in a tight race of his own this fall, he also pledged to use the defense bill as a vehicle for an immigration proposal that would enable young people to qualify for U.S. citizenship if they joined the military.

So basically it was a giant bill. People voting against it weren't neccasarily against gays, they were possibly just against some other part of the bill. They always do this: They lump things together with more popular measures: That way they can look back and say "they voted against giving the troops a raise!" when maybe they were voting against something else.

Its stupid. If these bills can't stand alone and can't be voted on alone, they shouldn't be put before congress.

Single issue bills, that would be the first change I would make if I could.

Originally posted by truejedi
So basically it was a giant bill. People voting against it weren't neccasarily against gays, they were possibly just against some other part of the bill. They always do this: They lump things together with more popular measures: That way they can look back and say "they voted against giving the troops a raise!" when maybe they were voting against something else.

Its stupid. If these bills can't stand alone and can't be voted on alone, they shouldn't be put before congress.

Single issue bills, that would be the first change I would make if I could.

It sounds like they were trying to pass through a reform on citizenship for military service (going the way of Rome) but were trying to cloud over that with the more publicized and sensitive DADT repeal.

Sneaky Democrats.

There's nothing sneaky about the Democrats. They're transparent as hell when they're trying to pass bills.

With Paula going on a sock hunting asskickery fest, I wonder if I should point out all the accounts that may have the same/similar address(es) to my own, now. To my recollection, there are several.

Wouldn't be the smartest thing. You shouldn't make it easier for them to ban you.

Courtesy of the Texas Republican Party Platform


We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable "alternative" lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should "family" be redefined to include homosexual "couples." We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

Realizing that conflict and debate is a proven learning tool in classrooms, we support objective teaching and equal treatment of all sides of scientific theories, including evolution, Intelligent Design, global warming, political philosophies, and others. We believe theories of life origins and environmental theories should be taught as challengeable scientific theory subject to change as new data is produced, not scientific law. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind.

We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.

It's like there is some physical law about Texas that attracts the dumbest people on the planet to one spot.

Originally posted by Lucius
Courtesy of the Texas Republican Party Platform

It's like there is some physical law about Texas that attracts the dumbest people on the planet to one spot.

One could say the exact same thing about the liberal arts/philosophy majors.

They could, but we're not talking about them right now, we're talking about the idiots in Texas. Get with the program, breh.

I agree with what was written, other than including God and religion into the mix.

I only agree with part of the second quote. But this part:

Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind.

Is really dodgy depending on age. I thinks it would be wrong to allow teachers to discuss their personal views with impressionable youths. Over 12's maybe, but not younger. Other than that its all total horseshit.

YouTube video

This is pretty much why.

YouTube video

Damn.

Can you summerise it for me please? I'm using G3 at the moment so I can't load shit.

No, lol. Watch it later.

I don't get proper internet for about 5 days. I'm not that patient. hoss

Two hundred or so years from now, barring some apocalyptic scenario, our transhuman descendants will look back on our time and scratch their heads, confused as to how those curious baselines could be so bigoted towards something as normal as alternate sexual orientations. However, death by old age will be a thing of the past and Earth will be controlled by the ancient conservative elite.

The gap between the rich and poor will widen not just from a wealth standpoint, but a genetic one as well as the rich pay vast sums to have recumbent DNA injected via retroviruses. Their children will benefit from genetic optimization via species modification allowing for the creation of homo superior subspecies.

Various counterculture revolutions will take place beyond Earth in places such as a partially terraformed Mars, the orbital habitats at the L4 and L5 points, near-Earth asteroids, the Main Belt, and the He3 refining facilities on Titan.

On Earth the conservative elite will employ comprehensive memetic engineering programs, forcing the radical to take up more violent methods of argument, which will continue the flow of colonists away from Earth and into the Solar System.

Or, Earth will get fried by a gamma-ray burst, hit by a giant asteroid, or taken over by Islamic population growth. Any of these will result in none of the above ever happening.

I like your future; we'll have operations on TITAN. That's my (imaginary) dog's name.