The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

Started by Zampanó3,287 pages

Neph, regarding Gary:

My philosophy of fanfiction:

Creativity means creating a good, original work. The goodness part is complicated. Originality isn't easy, but it is simple: Just don't do stuff that's already been done.

The First Law of Fanfiction states that every change which strengthens the protagonists requires a corresponding worsening of their challenges. Or in plainer language: You can't make Frodo a Jedi without giving Sauron the Death Star. Read any book on writing ever and it will tell you that stories are about conflict; a hero too strong for their conflict is no longer in tense, heart-pounding difficulty. For example, Dark!Dumbledore and Dark!Harry both permit a Harry strengthened over canon - the first by turning one of Harry's canon!allies against him, and the second by turning Harry against his canon!allies. The most spectacular application of this principle that I've seen is Harry Potter and the Wastelands of Time, in which Harry has gained all the knowledge of ancient Atlantis and has been through literally hundreds of Peggy Sue cycles in which he learns every possible twist of fate... and Voldemort, who unfortunately got to Atlantis first, has still won every time. The Mary Sue is not defined by her power, but by her lack of an even more powerful opponent. I mention this (1) so that you know I know it and (2) because the First Law of Fanfiction ought to be in a giant banner on every fanfiction site. The most fatal temptation of fanfiction writing is to think of how much easier some character's life would be if they were a ninja. We are naturally inclined to think up ways to solve our characters' problems for them, but must learn instead to make their lives more difficult.

The Rationalist Fanfiction Principle states that rationality is not magic; being rational does not require magical potential or royal bloodlines or even amazing gadgets, and the principles of rationality work for understandable reasons. A rationalist!hero should excel by thinking - moreover, thinking in understandable patterns that readers can, in principle, adopt for themselves. As opposed to the hero just being a born "genius" who comes up with amazing gadgets through an opaque discovery process, or who pulls off incredibly complicated gambits that would fail miserably if the reader tried something similar in real life. (Albeit that if, for some reason, you want to depict an eleven-year-old knowing all that rationality stuff, he must be extremely bright for his age level, which in turn has further implications. And no matter how bright he is, he'll still have problems - but problems for the hero are always a good thing, right?)

All fanfiction involves borrowing the original author's characters, situations, and world. It is ridiculous to turn around and complain if your own ideas get borrowed in turn. Anyone is welcome to steal any ideas from any fanfiction I write.

I have joined the Review Semi-Revolution: I resolve to leave at least one review on any fic of which I've read 15,000 words, regardless of the number of previous reviews, its age, or whether I have anything wittier to say than "Nice fic". On the theory that if I like it enough to read 15,000 words, I like it enough to leave at least one review. (This is halfway between the Review Revolution and the Review Counter-Revolution.)

If you enjoy reading a fic, that's easy to repay; just leave a review - reviews make authors happy. But what if you learn something from a fic, what what if it changes your mind? A favor like that isn't easy to repay, but what can't be paid back can often be paid onward. Blog the fic or tweet it or tell your friends, and someone else will get a chance to learn.

I never said that it isn't an interesting read, its just that his genius (and in turn Gary Stuness) is constantly showcased and broadcasted. The thing about a Gary is that he's supposed to be this fantasy persona and author-insert wankfest, so the story and much of the text is basically about telling the reader just how awesome this guy is. Like, you have no idea. He's so much better than anything you find in reality. Don't you wish you were this Awesome McCoolkid? An interesting thing about the link on the last page is how everyone seemed to think Revan wasn't a Gary becuase he has some minor flaws and makes some small mistakes. No. A Gary Stu can have flaws. Robert Langdon, who even Darren Brown has admitted is a Gary Stu, has flaws. It doesn't matter, becuase his awesomeitude and over-the-top capabilities coupled with the novel constantly highlighting his outlandish perfections still make his a Stu. In the fanfic for instance, Harry's intellect is highlighted by the kinda douchey way he deconstructs the world Rowling's made (and in turn showing off how smart the author is. Oh, yes, he's far better than her. Her world is stupid, lets create a world thats smart like me and makes logical sense, becuase thats really the best way to create a story about wizards), using ideas and concepts far beyond what a 10 year old should be able to do. Maybe I just ahte the nitpicking, but it still feels like a Stu thing to do.

I havn't actually got far enough to see whether he has any actual threats to his Awesometude, but if his schooling of Hermione and McGonagall (two of the smartest characters in the original text) is anything to go by, then I doubt he'll be having much trouble, and if he does it'll only be with Quirrel, Snape, Dumbledore and Voldemort, peopel who he shouln't even remotely be able to challenge.

Though I'm a little tipsy so I may just be rambling. And now I kind of hate it, becuase I've been focusing on the negative too much. :[

edit: Wait, were you even referencing the fic? Man, I think I just rambled for no reason. Sorry to just drop all this out of the blue if thats not what you wanted to talk about.

I think I'll just go to bed now. 😮

Originally posted by Nephthys
SEMI-RELEVENT TO THE TOPIC. REVAN IS TOTALLY A GARY STU SHUT UP PEOPLE IN THE THREAD

I bet Gideon made that thread.

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btw, this got lost in RN deciding to sidetrack the argument by calling me a bigot:

The answer to this post is:

Kublai Khan controlling all of Asia because he wiped out every city who opposed him until no one did?

the anniversaries of Hiroshima and, Nagasaki, followed immediately by VJ day?

How'd Gideon get banned?

no one knows... for being a sock supposedly...

“Ragnos held power for over a century, using his cunning to turn his enemies against each other.'- Kreia

Ruling for a century proves his combat ability my ass. 😬

Though Kreia lies like a fish drinks so WHATEVER!

http://www.tindeck.com/listen/xnem

Posted for luls and incase anyone was silly enough not to have played Kotor 2.

There was luls to be had.

Also- http://www.tindeck.com/listen/xxrp

Yeah that part was classic.

Ok, last link to this I swear. Even I'm starting to think I'm a little pathetic.

I am Kreia.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also- http://www.tindeck.com/listen/xxrp

what led to this dialogue? I never heard this when I played.

You can buy HK a pacifism upgrade from one of the vendors after a certain point in the game, I think after you've done 2 planets or something. Most people never see it becuase they never bother with shops cuz they suck so much. Then you just have to talk to him and hilarity ensues.

You pick it up from a local merchant on Nar Shaddar. It’s semi-secret, in the sense that we can only buy it after a certain number of planets have been finished.

ah, lol, interesting. Do you have the option to leave it in?

No, HK being nice just freaks the Exile out so completely that even a Lightsider takes it out.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/07/residents-missouri-town-block-protesters-picketing-soldiers-funeral/?test=latestnews

I'm glad they did this because I think it set a precedent for other states. I hope these religious fanatical bastards come to Texas, we'll greet them with firearms and tell them it's a consequence of them following a heretical religion.

good. Seriously. I have no idea why no one did this a long time ago.

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/BladeRunner/Update%2037/index.html

herbha-son2

Wat the Chist?!

edit: ****ing great game though.