Originally posted by truejedi
btw, this got lost in RN deciding to sidetrack the argument by calling me a bigot:The answer to this post is:
Kublai Khan controlling all of Asia because he wiped out every city who opposed him until no one did?
the anniversaries of Hiroshima and, Nagasaki, followed immediately by VJ day?
The first, regarding the Kahns, is telling. The Great Kahn held most of Asia. He held an empire larger (IIRC) than any other in history. He was also not a very nice dood. This is proof, you suggest, that being a not nice dood is the way to get things done.
It did get some things done. It cowed a continent and allowed for a reasonably durable dynastic tradition. (Then the greedy nobles tore themselves apart.) This sort of paradigm was used in China as well; after the revolution the Communists disappeared anyone with enough education to oppose them ideologically. If the United States wants to conquer and occupy and rule the Middle East, this may be a strategy that nets results. As far as I can tell, that isn't our goal though. We are there to stop or at least weaken the cycle of poverty and corruption that allowed Al Quaeda (?) to take power. Except for McCain, not many people have been willing to suggest that we stay there for hundreds of years.
Kublai Kahn style brutality may intimidate people, but you've yet to convince me that intimidating anyone is going to result in fewer terrorists. Fear of death is obviously not a concern for suicide bombers.
I'm unsure of how the dropping of the atomic bomb applies to this scenario. It was a single act of brutality, rather than a campaign of such actions. What parallel would be applicable to the War in the Mideast, and what do you believe the results of a single indiscriminate strike would be?
Originally posted by Zampanó
OK, I see your examples.The first, regarding the Kahns, is telling. The Great Kahn held most of Asia. He held an empire larger (IIRC) than any other in history. He was also not a very nice dood. This is proof, you suggest, that being a not nice dood is the way to get things done.
Originally posted by Dr McBeefingtonI'm resurrecting the lost art of helping.
Second* largest empire.