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2 things watching this heat game.

1. They are bAAAAd at Defense. Just flat out bad. That needs to be addressed. THey have too much athleticism to be that bad. They are all looking to help (since they are used to being the defensive stopper on their team, they are looking to help instead of covering their own man. So they are hopelessly out of position for 3rd passes.)

2. They aren't running plays for each other. Either Lebron runs an iso, or Dwade runs an iso. They take turns, but that isn't an offense. They are running last year's offenses from the Heat and the Cav's only on the SAME TEAM. They need an offense that incorporates something other than isolation plays.

I'll call Spoelstra.

Originally posted by truejedi
1. They are bAAAAd at Defense. Just flat out bad. That needs to be addressed. THey have too much athleticism to be that bad. They are all looking to help (since they are used to being the defensive stopper on their team, they are looking to help instead of covering their own man. So they are hopelessly out of position for 3rd passes.)

2. They aren't running plays for each other. Either Lebron runs an iso, or Dwade runs an iso. They take turns, but that isn't an offense. They are running last year's offenses from the Heat and the Cav's only on the SAME TEAM. They need an offense that incorporates something other than isolation plays.

Originally posted by Zampanó

Just something for future reference, a quote from Leland Chee about the cartoons.

Are the entries in the Holocron sorted as canonical & non-canonical? Are there various degrees of "officialness"?
The database does indeed have a canon field for each individual entry and for sources, though the canon level of the entry would overide the canon level of the source since it factors in other sources associated with that entry. When determining canon levels for individual entries, anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. A new level we recently added is "T" canon, comprising of the theatrical release of The Clone Wars and the television series, in addition to the planned live-action television series. Next we have what we call continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else from the EU. There is a secondary "S" continuity classification used for older published materials created when there was less attention to making everything in the EU fit with everything else in the EU. But, if it is referenced in something else it becomes "C". Similarly, any "C" canon entry that makes it into the films can become "G" canon. Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction. Any contradictions that arise are dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

So, yeah. The cartoons are now more canon than the rest of the EU. 😬

Though on a brighter note! He's also talked a bit about the exaggerated force powers.

Tasty, have you given any thought to the canon level of the sheer Force power Darth Vader's Apprentice displays in the upcoming Force Unleashed game?

The Force is definitely amped up to enhance gameplay. Star Wars in its various forms is always going to be taylored to specific mediums, whether it be for gameplay, artistic, or technical reasons. What we see in the films are the true representation of Force abilities.

Considering that, I'd say that the ridiculous debates about the canon status of the force powers shown in TFU and the first Clone Wars cartoon, are offically over.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican

Considering that, I'd say that the ridiculous debates about the canon status of the force powers shown in TFU and the first Clone Wars cartoon, are offically over.

It is clearly talking about all of the EU and is saying that only the movie shown the true force prowess of a Jedi. Therefore if we say TFU or the Old Cartoon is exagerated we have to say the Legacy comics are as well... Ergo it's pointless.

Originally posted by truejedi
Why did you just try to extend that quote to the Cartoon? It was clearly only talking about TFU, ESPECIALLY since that was the only thing mentioned in the question.

Leland Chee ****ing sucks! Now the Force is stupidly underpowered.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
If the films are the canon representations of the powers, then anything that contradicts that is nullified.

soooooo DE is noncanon. NJO is noncanon. All video games are noncanon.

Basically the only thing that is now canon are the 6 episodes, since the force is shown in such pitiful use there.

Seriously, that quote (when was it, was it recently?) just nullified the ENTIRE EU.

Its all non-canon.

All of it.

Might as well close this forum.

Well sure, if you want to be dramatic.

Sure, if i want to follow the rules of canon we have set out for ourselves... Luke Skywalker: The man who COULD lift the x-wing! Yeah. Sidious, the guy who can only shoot lightning while falling down a hole.

Yeah totally. Are you going to stop coming to the SWVS now?

probably not, but I will point out non-canon. I mean, this changes all of our duels. Do we really know who would win a Luke/Yoda matchup anymore without all of Luke's upper-end feats?

If what we see in the movies is the true representation of their powers, why do they overpower it in every other piece of EU?

Seems like their organization is somewhat messed up.

seriously, every single piece of EU.

when was that quote Blax?

Star Wars in its various forms is always going to be taylored to specific mediums, whether it be for gameplay, artistic, or technical reasons.

To be honest, if anything, I think books would be the least heavily influenced by the listed reasons, as its entire purpose is basically to describe the story to you. It's not intended to "thrill" you with over the top displays of action, it's not supposed to create stylised imagery that might innacurately reflect what's taking place, and itt doesn't face any real technical limitations as the written word can essentially describe anything that can be conceived.

Either way, while I think we shoudl take into account that the movies are the only truly accurate window in the fictional reality of the SWG, I think we can logically assess how accurate certain areas of the EU likely will be, by assessing how well it fits in with the movies and the bigger picture of the Star Wars canon, as well as whether what it describes seems realistic based on what we know.

Luke for instance is the sone of The Chosen One and as the movies exposit Anakin's potential would have most likely be passed down genetically. So I think the over the top displays we see from Luke later on in the series, that he performs consistently, can be logically agreed to be as true a representation of his abilities as we could use. One example anyway.

It is showing the force utilized beyond the levels of what is seen in the movie, which what Leeland Chee is addressing, and he calls it an untrue representation. Its hard to get around. We are going to have to throw out Chee's quote to keep ANY display in the force greater than... Sidious's lightning and Yoda and Sidious throwing the Pods at each other. (And the slow shaky lifting of the X-wing...) These were the 3 greatest uses of the force as shown by the movies in the "true representation" of the force.

I think he was saying that the movies are the only necessarily true representation of the fictional Star Wars reality, and perhaps stuff that closely relates to the films but isn't entirely consistent with them as necessarily false representations of the fictional Star Wars reality. I still think large portions of the EU represent potentially true representations of the fictional Star Wars reality, and that we can whether they likely are on a case by case basis. Perhaps create a thread on the matter in the EU section? I am leaving it to you truejedi.